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Wednesday
Dec022009

Tiger Accident Clippings, Vol. 6

The reaction to Tiger's statement became the primary focus of Wednesday's coverage despite a the emergence of a voicemail message and an embarrassing US Weekly story hitting newstands (with AP reporting the voicemail and other details).

Unfortunately for Tiger, Thursday figures to be another day the story drags on as Radaronline reports that Rachel Uchitel's attorney Gloria Allred has scheduled a press conference for Thursday and they believe she's going to reverse her story, admitting to an affair with Tiger and other salacious details about the crash night. The questions asked and answered at that news conference will be of particular interest because Radar also is reporting that Tiger's "organization" paid for her trip to Australia.

Also picking up steam on newscasts, talk radio, blogs and elsewhere are, for what they are worth, Bill Zwecker claiming in the Chicago Sun-Times who says he has Woods camp sources and reports various details about two-a-day marriage counseling sessions and pre-nup renegotiations.

As for the statement, for me the most powerful response to Tiger's statement was penned by Yahoo's Dan Wetzel.

Tiger took every bit of the money his image delivered. And with great rewards come great responsibility. That’s the deal. You can’t have one without the other. You can’t have your image beamed relentlessly into everyone’s living room and then expect people not to be intrigued with your life.

You can’t release glowing pictures of your family and think the public isn’t going to seek information when it comes crumbling down.

It’s fine that he’s not perfect. It’s just that he had IMG sell him as such.

Tiger should’ve stopped after the contrite first paragraph. He should’ve hunkered down and tried to salvage what he can of his marriage. Maybe he still will.

The rest speaks to an athlete detached from reality, myopic in his view of the world which has surrounded him by yes men willing to do anything to keep Tiger the Brand believable.

Christine Brennan in the USA Today is just as blunt, suggesting Tiger came off sounding like "a man who is more sorry about being caught than he is about cheating on his wife," and denouncing IMG for turning into "stumbling, bumbling amateurs when trying to stare down the scary tabloids."

We've learned, for instance, that the image that Tiger has so carefully presented to us on his website, that of the ultimate family man with those beautiful photos of his wife and two children, is a charade. We know this because he has now admitted that he has cheated on his wife and those young children.

We also know that Tiger is furious that the world now knows what he had hoped to keep secret. We can tell that from the carefully-crafted statement he put on his website Wednesday morning.

Then, however, Tiger spends the next two paragraphs basically attacking everyone and anyone who he somehow thinks is responsible for his do-it-yourself fall from grace — everyone except the one truly guilty party, which would be Tiger himself. He lambasts the tabloids and news media for having the audacity to invade his privacy, as if to say, "How dare you do this to me."

When you've been exhibited on national TV at the age of 2 and told by your beloved father that you're going to be the next Gandhi or Mandela, as the late Earl Woods said of his son, this is the way you think. If you're on top of your game, that can work wonders, creating an air of invincibility that can lead to 14 major golf titles before you turn 34.

Steve Elling is decimated by Woods' admission:

With evidence of serial philandering mounting at a seemingly hourly pace over the past week, Woods on Wednesday fell on his sword, pardon the pun.

Another false idol has thus been toppled. Angry at being duped, people in the streets picked up rocks and began stoning him immediately.

Elling also writes about the First Church of Tiger Woods disbanding. Yes, TigerWoodsIsGod.com will be on the web address market soon.

Gary Van Sickle names all of the things Tiger has done wrong and it amounts to a major change in the aura that made him so deadly on the course.

Nothing has stuck to Tiger before. This one, this digital inquisition, will. It has turned into a public-relations nightmare. All Woods can do is lie low, duck and cover. The worst part for Woods isn't the public humiliation, although that's pretty bad; it's the damage to his relationship with his family. There are two children involved and, by all accounts, Woods is a doting father. It remains to be seen how they will pull through this.

Jay Busbee offers advice on rekindling the Tiger mystique:

There are several steps he needs to take, immediately. First off, he needs to quit blaming the media. I'm not saying this as a member of the media, I'm saying this because blaming someone else for his own failures of character isn't going to win him any lasting sympathy.  The whole "I did wrong but it's also your fault for publicizing it" approach he took in his apology is cheap and a way to skirt the real issue. (Plus, there's an old saying by Mark Twain that you don't pick a fight with someone who buys his ink by the barrel -- or, in 21st-century terms, who counts his site visits in the millions.)

Jeff Rude at Golfweek also wasn't taken by Tiger's statement.

1) Unfortunately, he spent much more space pleading for and preaching about privacy than he did apologizing. Playing defense with offense is nothing new. I agree that everyone should give the man his space; his marriage is a private matter. That said, he has no one to blame but himself – not the news media, not other parties.

Michael Bamberger ponders what life will be like when Tiger returns.

Sportswriters will be freed up, at least for a while. For years now, if you asked Woods about steroids or politics or his home life, he gave you close to nothing. Guys basically gave up. Or I did anyway. Now that he's no longer untouchable, it's a new day. Who knows? It's not likely, but maybe Tiger will talk more about himself now. A safer bet is that others will now be more willing to engage in Tiger talk.

Not one sponsor will drop Tiger. This whole thing will have absolutely no effect on his golf game. He's not as good now as he was in 2000, but nobody is ready to stand up to him week in and week out. Phil will have his weeks, but Tiger's a marathoner and over time — the next five or eight years — he will wear you out. He'll get to 19 and fade away.

Jeff Neuman attacks the various questions, posing as a sports therapy hotline operator consoling a fan. This was a nice reminder of how things have changed:

You're pretty flip about adultery.

Or maybe realistic. Athletes screw around. They're young, fit, competitive, and spend a lot of time on the road. It's nothing new; look to the pantheon of all-time greats in any sport and you'll find a surplus of testosterone and a dearth of selectivity. Golf is absolutely not exempt from this.

Sports stars are targets, and have to recognize in the TMZ Age that their reputations are only as good as the cell phones around them. We don't have grainy video of Babe Ruth and three flappers having a grand time in a room above a tavern, but not because he wasn't up there. Also, the press wouldn't report such things back then. Today? Fuggedaboudit.

Nancy Armour reports that sponsors are sticking by Tiger--for now, while the New York Times' Larry Dorman and Stuart Elliott note that future negotiations will be a lot more interesting.

A Gillette spokesman, Michael Norton, added on Wednesday, “At this time, we are not making any changes to our existing marketing programs.”

Although the tone of that remark was neutral to positive, saying “at this time” kept Gillette’s options open. Large corporations play hardball, and as Phil de Picciotto, president of Athletes & Personalities at the marketing firm Octagon, sees it, recent events have made hardball much more of a possibility in future negotiations with Woods.

“Companies may use this opportunity as an excuse to try to renegotiate compensation, given their outside budget pressures due to the economy,” de Picciotto said. “Or they may take the tack that, ‘We stood by Tiger, we had to suspend some advertising, and therefore there’s some diminished value and we’d like a reduction in price or an extension.’

Out at Sherwood, Jim McCabe reports Tiger friend Steve Stricker's remarks Wednesday:

“I’m not going to kid you,” Stricker said. “It was a shock to see (how this has unfolded). First of all, the accident and then all the developments after that.”

Of course, Stricker was referring to Woods’ statement in which he apologized for his “transgressions,” in light of the stories being published about allegations of his infidelity. While he conceded it was a personal matter, Stricker seemed to understand that Woods’ celebrity will keep it in the forefront of the news.

Mark Lamport-Stokes lets Tiger know that Zach Johnson is there for him.

"My belief system is it's a time for forgiveness," added American Johnson, a devout Christian. "It's time for putting things aside and trying to become better people.

"I try to put myself in that situation and say: 'You know what, he's a friend of mine, I forgive him and I hope they get through it.' If I can be of any support, I'm here."

Bob Harig talks to fans at Sherwood about their views of Tiger and his handling of the accident. Harig also steps back and wonders if some of the early publicity would not have been as bad had IMG proactively issued a statement instead of letting news agencies lean on a detail-light FHP report to dictate the first news that went out on the wires:

On Friday, when news first broke that Woods had been in a car accident, initial reports indicated he was in a hospital in serious condition.

Truth was, Tiger was already home before the news broke. For a couple of hours, followers were under the mistaken impression that Woods was hospitalized with serious injuries.

It took a long time for word to come that Woods was fine, and it took even longer for Tiger to respond with a statement in which he rebutted speculation that a domestic dispute was part of the accident.

Much of the media circus outside the Isleworth gates could have been avoided had more information been forthcoming.

Rex Hoggard counters that it's not so simple in a piece pondering where Tiger goes from here.

Some have criticized Camp Tiger since “Black Friday,” saying they didn’t move quick enough to gain the public relations higher ground. Those people don’t know Woods, who has won 14 major championships and 71 Tour titles doing things his way.

Rick Reilly with lengthy comments about Tiger in an ESPN appearance:



And finally, Rocco Mediate is fired up in his defense of Tiger and his disdain for the media coverage:

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Reader Comments (30)

Saving Jesper for Vol. 7?
Doesn't Rocco roll with the wife of the Bangles' drummer? Cindi Hilfman or whatever? Rocco shouldn't be commenting on his skanky pal.

I wonder if Uchitel lost a big payday by being a team player early on.
12.2.2009 | Unregistered CommenterTighthead
Dawg should have used Stevie's reconnoitering skills to cover his tracks some. Playa needs to learn the game yo.
12.2.2009 | Unregistered CommenterBodie
@The Constructivist
The Jesper stuff is about 5 threads thataway vvvvv
12.2.2009 | Unregistered Commenterdbh
In his voice mail, he sure doesn't sound invincible or fearless.

Tiger's dominance mojo has been beaten down this year - he may never get back to his peak level of intimidation.

The particulars of the text to Uchitel quoted in the NY Post (I have tried to link) are what I would call regrettable. It might kind of creep Jeter out as well.
12.2.2009 | Unregistered CommenterTighthead
GEEZ Rocco--what a brown nose
12.2.2009 | Unregistered CommenterS.D.
Zach Johnson is a classy, classy dude...big points in my book for that handling....hope you win, Zach-Man! I'll be out at Sherwood rooting for you and Kenny to duel it out for first...GOOD GUYS RULE!!!
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterGood Guys Rule
Tiger's tale is as old as man's eternal dance with fame, fortune and the fickle finger of fate.....He thought he could skate through and take full advantage of his image without having to pay a price. Or as Shakespeare warned:

"Tarry a little, there is something else.
This bond doth give thee here no jot of blood;
The words expressly are "a pound of flesh."

Tiger, for a billion, is sure paying his pound of flesh...and then some.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered Commenterthe Q
God spare us from Sister Christine Brennan clucking her tongue every time someone gets a speeding ticket or cops a feel.

Actually, I'm surprised she could tear herself away from another column on Title IX or Michelle Kwan.

Will this "sports" columnist ever actually write a piece about sports?
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterPatchy
I find all this 'righteous indignation' by the press hilarious. According to statistics 60% of men cheat (not that that makes it ok) So lets open up the books on all of their pasts and see what turns up ?

I believe the questions are going to be asked and Tiger can't avoid those by virtue of the life he has chosen but he has the 'right' to say 'no comment' or however he wants to say it.

Did Tiger make his bed ? You bet... but please media pundits spare me the sanctimonius attitude..

All those golf writers who now regularly appear on the golf channel (ie public personas now) on shows like the 19th hole etc. should open up their lives to some scrutiny and then I'll be more interested in what they have to say about 'Tiger the person'

how long until next season begins .. all this just make me long for the distraction of the golf course
12.3.2009 | Unregistered Commenterjd
Sanctimony is ugly, jd, but is it really wrong? Certainly it's wrong if you are in a position of authority over someone else (politician, police chief, priest, rabbi). But is it really wrong for a reporter to write that Tiger has acted like a jerk? That he's committed a serious moral transgression by breaking his marriage vows, in a serial fashion, lying and covering it up in front of the person who supposedly matters more to him than anyone else in the world? I'm tired of hearing "everybody does it, so what." The adage about letting he who is without sin cast the first stone....well, we're talking writing here, not stoning. Seriously, there is a difference between expressing one's opinion on the matter and acting as judge, jury, and sentencer. Nobody objects when the press goes off half-cocked praising an athlete, and that's what alot of the fawning praise is, anyway, half-cocked nonsense.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterE.P. Richardson
i think i'm done with this story. at least i hope i'm done. i have to admit that there is a lot of gawking-at-the-car-wreck and schadenfreude underlying my intense interest in this sad fiasco, and i'm getting a little creeped out by myself because of it.

i have betrayed my values . . . etc. and the media, especially geoff, are to blame.

here's hoping i can stick to my guns on this resolution.

geoff, thanks for doing such a great job of aggregating what's out there in one neat package for our consumption.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered Commenterthusgone
very well put E.P. ... hard to rebut

I just find the 'glee' with which a lot of golf pundits are going after this distressing...

I don't think its wrong at all to say Tiger acted like a jerk and so on.... my reaction isn't so much to the stuff Geoff has posted but I suppose to some of the other reactions.. the phone ins I heard on Golf Central this morning just rubbed me the wrong way...

I guess all of this is really just that state of the world today.. as I said.. get me back to playing golf which is so frustrating/distracting that this stuff will be the LAST thing I worry about

have a good day all
12.3.2009 | Unregistered Commenterjd
thusgone--more power to you if you think you can tune this out. From what I'm reading this morning, Grubbs and Uchitel are merely what's floated to the surface, and the matter is apparently quite a bit deeper. Who knows what's going to show up as they keep turning rocks over.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Redcorn
Geoff, it is now incumbent upon you, to drive down the I-5 to Beverly Hills, and go to Gloria Allred's office and ask Ms. Uchitel what she thought of the bunkering at Kingston Heath and whether she might compare its routing to Merion.

I think Tiger is now admitting to the details with Rachel; he said he liked her so much "because it's all right there in front of you."
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterChuck
Geoff, I totally agree...Wetzel nails it to a tee...bang on!

Bamberger's claim no sponsor will drop Tiger is WAY premature...the news is getiing worse and at some point I believe a few will decide his "image" and character no longer have the currency they wish to be associated with. This isn't some one-off ,one night stand episode...rather a serial-shagger...that is emerging in Mr. Woods. Repeated bad judgement ,coupled with lying, never sells well.

Those that think golf won't take a hit, particularly with non-golfers, may be a bit optimistic. Remember, golf and CERTAINLY those that administer the game, have always held out golf, and those that participate in it, as a more respectful, mannerly bunch...that doesn't descend into the commonly found problems that are found in other sports. While we know this isn't really true, that image has been foisted for decades.

When your "meal ticket" superstar, a role model for millions of kids,especially minority youth, is being exposed as nakedly as Tiger is now...that ain't good for the game! That's why golf needs to realize...it's about the game 1st...champions come and go. If the game is healthy, the players will get their due. Right now it's not and it has little to do with Tiger's travails.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterSir Real
Here's the next move, if he knows what's good for him: surprise everyone, get on a plane and go out to Sherwood, warts and all, present the trophy to the winner. Get back out in front, pose, get out of the house, feed the media beast, get it over with, be around his buds, then schedule the fateful Oprah appearance, with the wife.

My last word comes from, of all places, Jack Benny (as quoted in Halberstam's The Fifties. Change out "comedian" for entertainer, athlete, celebrity and I think it amounts to about the same - not that this isn't Tiger's doing - obviously::

"By my second year in television I saw the camera was a man-eating monster. It gave a performer a close-up exposure that week after week threatened his existence as an interesting entertainer. I don't care who you are. Finally you'll get on people's nerves if they get too much of you. I don't care how wonderful or handsome or brilliant or charming you are - if the public gets too much of you, they'll be bored. Given that kind of magnification combined with intimacy that's characteristic of television, the conscience of a comedian's art becomes inevitably stale. The audience gets to know you inside and outside. Your tone of voice, your gestures, and your little tricks, the rhythm of your delivery, your way of reacting to another performer's moves, your facial mannerisms - all of these things, so exciting to an audience when you are a novelty, soon become tedious and flat. ...The television camera is like a magnifying glass and you can't enjoy looking at anything blown up for too long."
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterJimmy
I don't know if every one got the same ad on the ESPN clips, but having a couple discussing what underwear she should take for a romantic weekend getaway in a rental car struck me as a little ironic.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterJohnV
What happens in Vegas doesn't stay in Vegas.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterSteven T.
This is a golf website. . . Totally appropriate we should be discussing Tiger and all the issues surrounding this situation. . . But, This is a continuing story on ALL news programs? . . . Our military is surging in Afghanistan. . . 10% unemployment. . . Health Insurance reform bill in the Senate. . . None of it is being discussed in detail other than talking heads spewing their "political implications" drivel. . . What a country!
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterWisconsin Reader
That MSNBC clip proves that something in Western society is very, very sick.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterHawkeye
Gloria and Rachel's press conference cancelled!!

Payoff??
12.3.2009 | Unregistered Commenteranon
Explain, Hawkeye.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Redcorn
Marriage is first a legal contract. Everything else comes second. What is wrong is that MR PERFECT is in deep deep doodoo. What a scum this guy has turn out to be. Mr. Billionaire Sports Star Spoiled Teenager IS it never enough? Never enough Money? Never Enough Fame? Never Enough Women? Never Enough. Cheating on your pregnant wife, Pathetic.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered Commentervwgolfer
All of this reminds me of the story about The Emperior's new clothes.
John Redcorn, I'll be happy to. What I find sick is that the lawyer is talking about marriage in terms of a business agreement and that if the pre-nup is signed this or that way Elin will EARN so-and-so many millions during the next seven years. If that is the way in which a marriage is supposed to be looked upon - a business agreement rather than an interpersonal commitment of love - then I don't see what's so upsetting about an extramarital affair or two. Hell, if my wife was more of a business associate than a life companion, I'd probably be more than willing to have a fling with a hot waitress. Luckily, that is not the case for me.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterHawkeye
Hawkeye--as someone who sees marriage as you do, an interpersonal committment of love (and I'd add, a promise to be faithful), if I learned my wife were a serial philandress, I would consider the marriage, so defined, over. Now, to stay legally wedded, for appearance sake, or as a business deal, once both parties have agreed the love part is over, is that wrong? It's, well, weird, but I don't think it's wrong or a symptom of cultural disease. And it may be the right thing to do, for children, perhaps. By the way, I don't rule out that Tiger and Elin could reconcile, even learn to love one another again. But for me, it would be as if the marriage was dead, and if there was going to be any reconciliation, it would almost be like starting over, learning to love again, like two new people. Am I making sense? Geoffshackelford.com is becoming Oprah.com.
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Redcorn
I think I agree with you, John. Staying married for the sake of the children is a good cause. Staying married for the sake of earning money is sick. But as a compatriot of Elin's (pre-nups and money-grabbing lawyers is not a prominent part of our culture) I really don't think she is thinking that way - if she did, she wouldn't have risked it all by clobbering him before the re-negotiation!
12.3.2009 | Unregistered CommenterHawkeye

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