PING Wants Groove Rule Change Abandoned
So nice to see the manufacturers agreeing on something. Just a little late, no?
PING Chairman & CEO John Solheim calls for new groove rule to be abandoned, not delayed
June 29, 2009; Phoenix Arizona: PING Chairman & CEO John Solheim, who has adamantly opposed the USGA and R&A New Groove Rule since first proposed February 27, 2007, released the following statement today from the company’s Phoenix, Arizona headquarters:
"The new groove rule harms the game and golfers and should be dropped. The recent uproar about it from PGA Tour players demonstrates this fact,” said Solheim. “However, the PGA Tour's proposal to delay implementing the rule is not a solution. You can't turn a bad idea into a good one by waiting an extra year to adopt it. We hope everyone who cares about the future of this game keeps that simple concept in mind."
A summary of Solheim’s concerns that were shared with the USGA and R&A since the New Groove Rule was proposed is attached.
Here goes...bandwith is cheap!
SUMMARY OF PING’S OPPOSITION TO THE NEW GROOVE RULE
Set forth below is a summary of some of the points PING made to the USGA and the R&A during the time they were evaluating whether to adopt the new groove rule:
1. It is simply wrong to place the potentially biased concerns of a small number of Tour professionals above the needs of tens of millions of amateurs. Why are amateurs being needlessly harmed and told to reach into their pockets to pay for an alleged problem that the USGA believes applies to just the PGA Tour? The PGA Tour has undergone tremendous economic growth and success over the past decades, in concert with golf club innovation. Innovation is one of the oldest and most important traditions of golf. Professionals who get their clubs for free should not be causing the rulemaking bodies to force amateurs to buy new clubs.
Well of course we know that's totally misleading, but continues...
2. Once the rulemaking bodies approve a golf club, it should remain approved.
Golf needs respected and responsible rule makers. Respect is earned -- and it can easily be lost. Tens of millions of golfers purchased hundreds of millions of irons and wedges based on the fact that the rulemaking bodies said these clubs conformed to the rules. It simply is not fair to say to the golfing public, "You know those clubs you bought, the ones we said conformed to the rules? Well, we changed our mind. Sorry about that, and you will need to get some new ones." This not only harms amateur golfers, but it damages the respect many have for the USGA and the R&A.
Golfers respect the USGA and R&A?
3. The skill of driving accuracy continues to be richly rewarded. In proposing this roll back of the Rules, the USGA stated: "The skill of driving accurately has become a much less important factor in achieving success while playing [on the PGA Tour] than it used to be...." That statement is not correct. The data from recent US Opens and from
PGA Tour events (including its improved ShotLink data - which was ignored by the USGA) establishes that there remains a significant penalty from landing in the rough. In fact, the USGA is able to define, and obtain, the level of penalty ("Cost of Rough") it desires through its course set-up. Any tournament is free to do the same. ShotLink data also establishes that accurate drives at PGA Tour events continue to result in the ball ending up much closer to the hole after the second shot (a true measure of an accurate shot). In short, there continues to be a significant penalty from hitting into the rough, even for the best players in the world.
I'm so glad Max Behr isn't alive to read this.
4. In targeting grooves, the rulemaking bodies ignored numerous changes that likely impacted the game over the past 30 years. It is nearly impossible to conclude that a single variable (grooves) caused any observed changes to the game at the PGA Tour level over the past twenty five years. To attempt to do so requires that you ignore all of the other changes to the game since 1984 (the year square grooves were allowed), including the following: course conditioning changes, driver improvements (such as large-headed drivers made with exotic materials), shaft improvements, improved golf balls and golf ball cover materials, improved agronomy, increased athleticism, improved player conditioning, improved player training aids, launch angle fitting and even improved coaching. As an example, tremendous course-conditioning changes have occurred on the PGA Tour since the 1970's. According to historical PGA Tour Course Conditioning Guidelines, since the 1970's the length of the primary rough has been reduced by as much as 60%. The height of the intermediate rough (also described as the first cut), is now as short as some fairways used to be. The grass on the fairways & greens is also shorter. If the USGA/R&A are concerned whether PGA Tour pros find it too easy to hit out of the rough, why didn't they focus on changes to the PGA Tour's course set-up guidelines? If the PGA Tour's set-up guidelines were reviewed, why weren't they mentioned in any of the reports? It is unfair to make amateurs buy new clubs, just so PGA Tour pros can continue to play courses without the deeper roughs yesterday's pros were forced to tackle.
Oh that's good stuff there. Roughs are down! The boys have it easy. Sadly, that might actually click with some.
5. The "money list/driving accuracy" rank correlation analysis cited by the USGA to justify its change in grooves is fundamentally flawed. The downward pattern in this correlation cannot be tied to the introduction or increased use of square grooved irons. We believe it is more closely linked to PGA Tour player behavior than the introduction of any particular equipment innovation. We undertook extensive statistical analysis of publicly available PGA Tour data. We quickly discovered the number of tournaments played annually by the top 10 money earners has been gradually decreasing since about the mid-1990’s. In fact, the number of PGA Tour events with 3 or more of the top 10 money earners in the field has dramatically decreased since the 1980's. The decreasing trend in participation by the top money earners at PGA Tour Events closely mirrors the decreasing trend in the money list/driving accuracy rank correlations, and could be the cause of it. All of this was demonstrated, graphically and otherwise, in my letters to the USGA.
Now that is interesting.
6. The USGA has not demonstrated that any change in any PGA Tour statistic is due to grooves. If the rule making bodies believe that grooves are wreaking havoc on the PGA Tour, why is it that among the hundreds of statistics kept by the PGA Tour, no one has ever deemed it worthwhile to identify the specific grooves each individual PGA Tour Pro is using in his irons and wedges. If grooves truly are a problem, it seems obvious that someone would gather and analyze this easily obtainable data before telling tens of millions of golfers the USGA is reversing its prior approval of hundreds of millions of golf clubs. The failure to do so suggests there may be something else going on here.
Yeah the ball flies too far!
7. What happens to hundreds of millions of "Used" golf clubs - which have always been an important asset in golf. I believe it is important to many golfers, particularly PING customers, that their used clubs maintain a great trade-in value, often for twenty or more years. I am concerned that declaring that hundreds of millions of previously approved clubs will later be non-conforming will impact the resale value of those clubs. It is wrong to diminish the value of these previously approved clubs purchased by hardworking men and women simply because a few Tour pros (who get their clubs for free) seem to complain that "golfers today have it too easy." I do not know of a single golfer who quit playing the game because "it became too easy." This new rule will also harm the tradition of passing clubs to children and grandchildren. Used clubs are also an affordable way for many beginners to give the game a try. These concerns may not resonate with some, but they mean a lot to many who love this game and want to pass the passion for golf on to the next generation. Again, are we throwing all of that away simply so the PGA Tour can keep its rough shorter than it used to be?
Hey, I still have a set of Ping Eye2's in the closet John. Care to buy them from me?





















Monday, June 29, 2009 at 02:52 PM
Reader Comments (29)
What say you, Ping?
Can anyone suggest the slightest way in which the 2010 Rule/Condition will take clubs out of the bags of average golfers? How will it hurt used club prices?
If we are to take this seriously, John Solheim has no idea what the Rule is, and how the proposed Condition of Competition is going to work.
I thought the Solheims were smart people, and careful operators within the Rules of Golf. This is some of the most brazenly false stupidity I've ever sen written on the subject. There are a lot of casual golf club afficionados who know more about this subject than John Solheim. Could it be that some lower level idiot at Ping wrote this, after perusing the internet discussion boards? It cannot be that any smart lawyer for Ping wrote it. It's way too error-filled, at the most basic level.
I imagine Geoff might have just a few. I'd volunteer if Geoff can't make it.
Consider that the response to the grooves has been talk about a softer, spinnier ball. Well, the ball we have now has been in response to the huge drivers we have now. Bifurcation of the rules as proposed by the USGA is anathema to their charter. (No surprise there given their actions after hitting the pot of gold with TV money). Is David Fay's position really worth three quarters of a million dollars a year? Really? Without the U.S. Open what's it worth?
Thanks, that about sums up The Future of Golf.
tartan,
Frank Thomas also believes the solution lies in narrower fairways and more rough. That just doesn't cut it.
Arnold Palmer supports your second point, he grabbed the cash and endorsed an illegal driver --- so yes...
...golfers (like Arnie) do not respect the USGA and the R&A.
Frank Thomas is a big reason, perhaps the single biggest reason, that driver head sizes when unchecked for far too long. Frank Thomas, then the USGA Technical Director, told the world not to worry; that drivers were reaching a state of rapidly diminishing returns and would not get much bigger. Trouble was, that was when drivers were about 360cc...
On a positive note lets vote Chuck and Hawkeye onto the Tour policy board!People with balls that talk sense-now that would be a novelty.
Furthermore, IF the amateurs are forced to buy new clubs so they can conform as Mr. Solheim suggests, it will be good for his business. NO BRAINER, why is he against it?
Bottom line, as a former player, who now does 30 weeks of commentary on Pro Tours around the world, I constantly see players take advantage of the grooves on their wedges to play shots that would otherwise need to be played in a more conventional manner, like with a 7-iron and run up a slope as opposed to flying the ball over 60 feet of green, and landing it on a small plateau, spinning the ball to a quick stop.
I feel that the "art of the short game" has been lost, hence my initial post above stating that the guys with talent and imagination will shine through with the groove changes
I like the best players in the world to be challenged, I like watching them have to make decisions, NOT reach for their most lofted club.
I see this as all good, NO downside
Why, I ask, are you even talking about the notion of amateurs being "forced" to buy new clubs? That's the part of the John Solheim/Ping press release that is positively false. It's just purely untrue, and our starting point should be the fact that about 50% of what is contined in the press release is a pure falsehood, and another 25% or so is so severely misleading as to be false.
Amateurs will not be foreced to buy new clubs. The USGA's 2010 rule addresses the manufacture of new clubs only. There will be (we think) a Condition of Competition, applicable ONLY to elite players, requiring the use of those newly-compliant clubs. The USGA has strongly recommended theCondition, but ONLY for elite events (i.e., Opens and Tour events in 2010, national amateur championships in 2014). The administrators of elite-level golf, including the PGA Tour, started off in complete agreement with the USGA. Only now are small elements on the tour staging a late revolt. And note well; the USGA recommends AGAINST any similar condition of competition for lower-level and recreational play.
John Solheim (and/or the press release authors) was fabricating when he/they suggested problems for recrational players and for the general retail club market. It's a lie. It isn't true.
That's the starting point with Ping; "Your press release is completely bogus. Will you answer questions about its contents, so that we can get at the truth?"
Anybody else in this boat with me?
And didn't golf do pretty well back in the day??
And now those groove will kill the game??
This is an example of a Gnomes Argument. It goes like this:
- Play with the grooves we used 20 years ago
- ??????
- Golf wil die.
Sheesch.
I was only talking about amateurs buying clubs in response to Ping. Amateurs, especially in these economic times, will buy them when needed, NOT just to conform.
I also think that many of the Tour players have now taken the time to go to manufacturers testing facilities, practiced with the "new grooves" and realized that the "party" is over, they are going to have to learn the sort game rather than just rely on equipment to bail them out. The PGA Tour meeting today will be interesting to see how these guys can bitch to get their way.
Trust me on that one, I was in their shoes once upon a time.
Why are you delaying the purchase of a new set of irons?
What is your thinking?
Why would any properly-informed recreational player think that he or she must buy new clubs, "just to conform"? Why would anyone, well-informed about the terms of the Rule/Appendix and the proposed Condition of Competition, think that he or she would need to change anything at all?
One of two things has happened, either you miss-interpreted my point, or I did a poor job of explaining it, because I AGREE WITH YOU!!!
'some poorly-informed golf consumers will mistakenly believe that they need to buy new and supposedly conforming equipment, becuase they have been misled into thinking that by false stements like the Ping press release...'
Jay, I agree with that. And there are terrabytes of misinformation lurking out there in internet land. I am astonished at the amount of unfounded fear there is about recreational golfers' equipment becoming 'non-conforming' overnight. People who really should know better just don't seem to be able to understand.
The reason that the Tour pros don't play with "tour only" equipment to stop making the great old courses obsolete is because all of the amateurs out there want to play the SAME equipment as the Pros.
And, the manufacturers take FULL advantage of that.
Well, as we both know, recreational, "aspirational" golfers can do just that and no one will stop them.
And, I thnk we can both agree, that situation is almost the polar opposite of what John Solheim described in that Ping press release.
I'm delaying buying anything because I occasionally compete in USGA events and I don't want to buy two sets of clubs. I'm also uncertain at what level other associations/clubs are going to adopt this condition of competition. Are state-level tournaments going to have this as a condition of competition in 2010? 2014? Some other time? How about, say, Oakmont's invitational? Not that I play in that, but what about premier events at a club that's full of good players?
What a mess.
The groove rule still has those old eye2s grandfathered.
So if you want square grooves in the future, just pull them out.
The game of golf has always been about innovation & invention, but you can't tell me that the vast majority of golfers need a role back in technology, and anyone who thinks that is simply tool and a person who supports that line of thinking is a shed-which makes so many, included these "fearless leaders within the USGA, and the elitist supporters of this rule "toolsheds"
John Solheim is correct on many levels--honestly it may not be next year for me, but it may be a few years down the road where I have to go out and buy new clubs to play in my state amateur to comply, and indeed as John alludes to I may not be able to find conforming clubs on the used rack- so if I'm a business and I take in used clubs on trade--do I take your soon to be non-conforming club(s) no- because even though it may not matter to some---it will to others and now my potential customers have shrunk. Thank You USGA-- You can stick it---with that lame ass bumper sticker you send out with a membership- give me a vote, and all the members a vote and then we'll talk.