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« "For some reason, golf fans don't want the underdog to win" | Main | Uh Oh! Paramor Is Talking »
Monday
Aug102009

"There were other players out on the course playing for large amounts of money and they still managed to play within the time schedule we set."

As expected, John Paramor's defense of Sunday's on-the-clock warning to Padraig Harrington and Tiger Woods, as told to Lawrence Donegan.

By the time Harrington and Woods stepped on to Firestone's 16th tee the group in front had just left the green 670 yards ahead. After Paramor's warning to speed up, the Irishman ran up a triple-bogey eight, which turned his one-shot lead over Woods into a three-shot deficit and all but ended the tournament as a contest.

"I'm sorry Padraig hit the ball in the water. I wanted a grandstand finish like everyone else,'' the rules official said. "I was simply carrying out the policy we have on slow play. If as a consequence of me doing what I am employed to do was that Padraig hit a poor shot then I am desperately sorry for him. There is no way I wanted that to happen. In fact, I would have liked the ball to have gone in the hole because it would have saved a great deal of time."

Zing!

And this is beautiful:

To the exalted list of those who have been unable to intimidate Paramor, the world of golf can now add the illustrious name of Woods.

"When we were on the 17th fairway Tiger said to me "Are we still on the clock?" and I said to him "Yes",'' said Paramor. "He then pointed to the group in front and asked me if I could see them. I said yes, but I think he thought they were closer than they actually were. In fact, they were on the 18th hole. You can't put anyone off the clock when the group in front are a hole ahead."

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Enough with this so-called controversy: Too bad for Padraig-but play faster next time, ya mope!

Of a bigger concern-did anyone see Padraig's 73-yard wedge shot out of a bad lie in deep rough on the 14th, which spun back like a yo-yo? Thank god Finchem didn't cave in on those grooves!
08.10.2009 | Unregistered Commentermatt
Matt, I saw that shot. I couldn't believe the spin he got, but then again, I've seen it often enough to know better.

Nantz remarked at how much spin he was able to put on the ball, but nobody mentioned the grooves.
Good for Paramor. He sounds like a very respectable man who loves his job. Don't punish the one who must apply the rules...punish the one who breaks the rules. Some people seem to believe it should be the other way around.
08.10.2009 | Unregistered CommenterHa
Paramor is welcome in my foursome any day of the week. Being a right rigid **** about pace is just fine.

I like how he points out that being in the last group doesn't entitle you to an extra 20 minutes that your competitors don't have.
08.10.2009 | Unregistered CommenterTighthead
Just saw on ESPN that Tiger has been fined for his comments.
08.10.2009 | Unregistered CommenterFo shiz
Yeah ! Get on with it Paddy. No one to blame except yourself. Ever thought about getting ready to play your shot while the other guy is lining up too ? And Tiger ! Your place in the field is directly behind the group in front of you. Don't argue with the officials fella !
08.10.2009 | Unregistered CommenterLongy
I say BS to the rules official. Their in the last group on the 16th hole. As for Paddy, maybe playing slow is a tactic to get under Tigers skin. Ya gotta use all your weapons trying to beat Tiger.
08.10.2009 | Unregistered Commentervwgolfer
Tiger is reportedly being fined by the PGA Tour for his comments on the rules official:

http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/article/0,28136,1915671,00.html?eref=golf
08.10.2009 | Unregistered CommenterJoey
An excellent point was made in another thread...think about it...Woods and Paddy are playing in one of the most dramatic, delightful rounds of the year...finally someone stepping up to challenge Tiger, packed gallery, crowds all around, the typical Tiger army and distractions...every analyst brings it up...how will Tiger's playing partner handle the attention and noise and volume of the crowd...Even Tom Watson after the BO acknowledges his amazement as to how Tiger is able to deal with this hoopla every week

So, lets figure that because of the enormous, rambunctious gallery, it adds 30 seconds per hole, so in reality they are only 8 minutes behind..I mean is Paramor so dense that he cannot tell the difference between a Rory Sabbatini/Rich Beem who-gives-a-shite twosome and a Tiger/Paddy (winners of 5 of the last 9 majors), twosome in the best duel of the year?????....I mean, I am sure Paddy/tiger at some point was ready to hit a shot or putt, only to back away because some idiot with a camera stops him, or there is movement in the gallery 70 yards down the fairway. etc.

The PGA are idiots and John Paramor is an offish, effete snob of the highest order.

You have what every golf fan prays for: Tiger behind by a stroke....Paddy playing relentlessly plodding golf...two completely contrasting styles, but both with fierce determination and competitiveness.

Then the Nazis following the rules come out, without looking at the bigger picture....what if Paddy wins...just think about the storyline/anticipation at the PGA next week.

So all you small minded idiots who talk about the rules etc. think about this: suppose Paddy chips out and pars the hole...Tiger taps in...all even going to the final holes....

Then John Paramor steps in and says Paddy took too long on the shot...is penalized and is now down one. Lets see him interviewed by Jim Nantz or Feherty....does he have stones to make THAT CALL?

Rules are rules.....but men have judgment and common sense...yes a starving man is technically guilty of theft for stealing a loaf of bread..and John Paramor would certainly say he should pay for the bread like everyone else right?

And, finally, some say the last time this rule was enforced was either 1992 or 1982....its like being in one of those states which still has sodomy rules and being jailed for an insane enforcement of an archaic law without an officer using discretion or wisdom right "tightass" I mean "tighthead"
08.10.2009 | Unregistered Commenterthe q
the q,

Very thoughtful and well articulated. I'm with you 100% on all points.
08.10.2009 | Unregistered CommenterSir ShanksALot
Sorry-the q is talking bullshit!
I dont know where all this crap about the rule not being applied since the 80s comes from!Players are warned/timed virtually every week and have been for years.I'd personally like to see the slow play rules much more stringent then we could really do something about it.Mind you the rules are written by the players committee so I'm not going to hold my breath!
08.11.2009 | Unregistered Commenterchico
chico, the last time a 1-shot penalty was handed out for slow play was 1982, that's what the-q is talking about.
08.11.2009 | Unregistered CommenterFarmingdale
Ok Farmingdale fair point.I do think a lot of the talk stems from a lack of knowledge of the slow play rules.The group is warned first-then put on the clock if they dont make an effort to catch up.Events such as lost balls and rulings are taken into account but the players would still be expected to try to close up on the game in front.If this doesnt happen and they are still over time and out of position they will be timed.If any player then goes over the allotted time for a shot they are warned they have a bad time and that a further bad time will incur a penalty.It very rarely gets to the 2nd bad time-the players arent stupid!(In my 20 yrs part-time reffing only twice at an event I've been at.)A 2 ball would normally be given about 3.40 and a 3 ball about4.20-I'm 100% behind JP-but then again you would expect that!
08.11.2009 | Unregistered Commenterchico
The Q is right on all accounts. John Paramour is a rules snob. I think he should be fired.
08.11.2009 | Unregistered Commentervwgolfer
@ Farmingdale.

It was 1992. Given to now PGA Tour rules official Dillard Pruitt. The articles yesterday mentioning 1982 were incorrect. USA Today posted a correction of the year last night on its website.
08.11.2009 | Unregistered CommenterOWGR Fan
What on earth is a rules snob!!!Either you play to the rules of golf or you dont.What ever's next?That was a lovely shot-you didnt deserve to go in the water-take a free drop old pal!!!!!!!!!!!?
08.11.2009 | Unregistered Commenterchico
If Paddy had walked faster all day, he'd have not been behind and would have not had to rush any of his shots for fear of being timed.

Plus, the first step after a bad time is a warning, not a one-stroke penalty. That would require TWO bad times, if I'm reading things properly. So both Tiger and Paddy had "one bad time" to spare with no real consequence.
08.11.2009 | Unregistered CommenterErik J. Barzeski
Why are we so exacting about the Rules when it comes to your ball moving, even if you are the only one who sees it, or putting a towel down to protect your pants (building a stance), yet a rule about pace of play can be bent?

Sorry, q, I can't agree. The travesty isn't that Paramor got in the middle of a competition, it's that Woods and Harrington can't play fast enough to follow what are fairly simple rules about pace of play.

Come on. These aren't starving kids stealing bread to save their lives. They are professional athletes - professionals - which means you cope with the shit that goes along with being in the lead on Sunday.

They take too freaking long to play. The Tour should be even tougher, handing out stroke penalties sooner. Tiger's a big star and means everything to the tour. So he should be a man and take responsibility, and then everyone else follows. His railing against the tour and the rules only incites more insubordination. He's in his 30s and he still acts like he's 19, with the cursing, petulant club throwing, and his hubris and blatant disregard for the rules. Whatever happened to nobody being "bigger than the game?"
08.11.2009 | Unregistered Commenter86general
Erik J - spot on!
Genaral - hope eveybody reads that-superb.
08.11.2009 | Unregistered Commenterchico
I understand...we all HATE slow play...and of course we should all follow the rules, but just like the Gates/Crowley affair, isn't there a better way to handle this issue?

They were after all, the last group, it was great for the game of golf...in basketball, one is allowed 10 seconds to shoot a free throw by rule....so you rules guys are telling me that with 2 seconds left to play, Dwayne Wade takes 11 seconds...makes the free throw, but the ref nullifies it by saying he took one second too long...ok I know you rule Nazis are gonna argue what if a guy takes 25 seconds to shoot, should we allow it...or what if he takes 10 seconds to cross the half court line....yes, good arguments, but these rules are enforced EVERY time...

Don't you narrow minded apparatchiks get the CONTEXT????????? The last time this was enforced was when Bush the elder was PRESIDENT....

I say the best way to handle this was to wait till after the match, have a players meeting and in the strictest of terms inform them that at the PGA next week, ANYONE breaking the rules will be dealt with severely...then in the first round, nail someone...that will get the players attention.

Its just like in baseball, everyone knows what the strike zone should be..its in the rule book, but each year, the umpires sit down with the players and tell them how the zone will be applied...for example, now the high strike is called, when forever, it wasn't.

Just like this case, if its been since 1992...well, you get the idea...I hope...
08.11.2009 | Unregistered Commenterthe q
Q - you just aint reading or understanding.
They werent given a bad time or penalised or fined-they were merely put on the clock-something that happens on a daily basis in pro golf on virtually any hole and something that has happened to both players before.They should have been able to handle it no problem-they are not 17yr old rookies.99 WEEKS OUT OF 100 this would not even have been a story.
08.11.2009 | Unregistered Commenterchico
Though I'm aware that Tiger wags tour golf, I disagree with Tiger's interpretation of how things went down Sunday. That said, I do defend his right to say them. Free speech.
08.11.2009 | Unregistered CommenterPerry

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