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Tuesday
Jan192010

"Isn't that some form of bifurcation?"

Lawrence Donegan caught Cameron Morfit's report on the new Titleist Pro V1 Spin and Plus Trajectory balls and in particular the manufacturer note to players:

"These products are not in response to nor designed to address new groove rules and they are not planned to be sold commercially."

Donegan asks and I do think he's correct in wondering:

Obviously these two balls have been approved under existing rules but they are something new and different; they have been designed for the pros, will be played only by the pros and they will never be sold commercially to the paying punter. Isn't that some form of bifurcation?

Of course this is only an issue because as Donegan documents, Acushnet has been against bifurcating the professional and amateur games.

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Hypocrisy, anyone?

Correct me if I'm wrong (it's been a long time ago, and I don't feel like surfing the web for the answer) but didn't Nike get into trouble years ago because Tiger was playing a ball that wasn't available to the public?

Isn't this why so many people play Titleist clubs/balls, even though most of us probably can't handle them? That whole, "The pros use the exact same clubs I do! How cool is that?" deal.

Before anyone gets mad- that isn't a knock. Some people get into certain types of gear because so-and-so-Pro uses it. If that's your thing, there's nothing wrong with that, I'm just relating it to this "bifurcation" deal.
01.19.2010 | Unregistered CommenterJustin
Just wish I could try those different blends of V1s; sorta same deal with those interesting blends of Cameron's Newports that I can't buy. Titleist has some great stuff but I can't buy it, if Titleist is reading this, I have money and would love to buy the above, sell me the tour stuff please.
01.19.2010 | Unregistered CommenterJim
I think Norman may also have had trouble with a ball (Tour Edition ?) that wasn't on some approved list.
I've always just assumed that Pros have access to stuff that isn't available to we poor weekend hackers. Aren't Tiger's irons really Mizunos and his Nike ball a Pro V ?
01.19.2010 | Unregistered CommenterLongy
I hate to be a pedant...well, no I don't, I actually get off on it sometimes...but isn't the concept of bifurcation as applied to golf only about the laws of the game? Commercial decisions are not the same discussion.

It isn't bifurcation to not invite me to play in the Masters next April. Nor is it bifurcation for a business to say 'Sorry, we are sold out of that ball you like'. But it would be bifurcation if the rules said pros and ranked amateurs had to use specified equipment and mugs like me can use whatever someone can sell to me.

Now, when there are ten groups to consider and we have to discuss defecation, well...
01.20.2010 | Unregistered CommenterPickworth
its designed to create type around the equipment---so titleist can sell more of it ones they ramp up enough production Jim is already chomping at the bit
01.20.2010 | Unregistered CommenterHitter
Titleist is perhaps the last of the "big names" to offer "tour only" golf balls. Nike, Srixon, Bridgestone and Taylor-Made have been doing this for years. You cannot buy the ball that Tiger plays or several other Nike players for that matter. When players on tour expect a manufacturer to make them "their own" ball to maximize their impact conditions what is one to do? Lawrence should have done better research before "breaking a new story".
01.20.2010 | Unregistered Commenterbusinessman
Jim

Scotty will make you anything at all that your heart desires, it just ain't cheap.

You can get the balls, too, you just have to know how, not that they'd do you any good nor that you could tell the difference.
01.20.2010 | Unregistered CommenterGolfFan
Although I would LOVE to delve into this subject, NO COMMENT
01.20.2010 | Unregistered CommenterJay Townsend
Old news that a member of the so called golf media should know better on. Titleist (as with all other ball manufacturers) has always had different versions (prototypes) of golf balls and clubs that the public couldn't buy at retail. Back when Titleist had the Pro V1* at retail (pre Pro V1X days) they had a ball on the USGA conforming list called the Pro V1 Diamond. I emailed Titleist on it and they replied that it was a tour only proto and would never be sold at retail. Whether that ball evolved into another version of the Pro V1 is another story.

@ Longy ..... Nike has it's own golf ball design staff led by Rock Ishii and has many of it's own golf ball patents. IIRC Bridgestone though still does the manufacturing of Nikes golf balls. As for Tigers irons it's another one of those well worn myths that his irons are simply a copy of old Mizuno irons. Guess some rumors die hard. If your comment was meant as sarcasm I apologize as it is hard to know at times when people are using sarcasm in this type of forum/blog/db.
01.20.2010 | Unregistered CommenterOWGR Fan
there really is something about a piece of equipment that's not available to the general public, isn' t there? i am really happy with my current set of equipment, but just the prospect that there's something out there that's "tour only" gets me wanting it.

there's at least one guy i know of who made a pretty good living offering this sort of stuff to the masses online. i bought a few things from him (at wildly inflated prices) myself. ridiculous, i know, but what are you gonna do?
01.20.2010 | Unregistered Commenterthusgone
Aha, the golf gearheads have gotten here before me and have thoroughly beaten me to it.

This isn't "bifurcation" in any meaningful or useful sense, so Titleist is NOT guilty of any hypcrisy on that dimension. Every one of the large equipment manufacturers is offering tour-only equipment to its elite staff members (and sometimes the gray market of reps and caddies and others) that is all perfectly legal under the good ol' unbifurcated Rules of Golf. The differences with the tour-only stuff is sometimes in terms of better quality, but more than anything, it is geat that is simply spec'ed for extremely good players.

Hence:
Drivers with more open face angles (that hackers would slice to hell);
Balls (like Tiger's personal Nike ball) that spin more and which would do recreational players no good, since they'd have a much harder time finding the fairway;
Putters from the Scotty Cameron or Taylor Made studios in Carlsbad that are the product of detailed individual player testing;
Iron sets that are handmade to provide players with the same look and feel and trajectories as other sets they had owned, and worn out previously (or were manufactured by another, competing company).

But there's one thing about this story that I DONT' GET, and about which nobody's said much. It is this: Why is Titleist going waaaaaayy out of its way to deny the obviously true, that these new balls are indeed designed as a response to the new groove rules? What's up with that? Is is a legal strategy? Is it marketing -- wherein Titleist doesn't want the public to think that they aren't getting what the big boys really playe with?

Geoff, here's what I think -- The new groove rule is clearly a form of bifurcation. That is, the Condition of Competition is a bifurcation. And clearly, everyone knew, and anticipated, and probably intended, that the elites' response to the Condition would be to get spinnier balls. And now, it seems, they have. But Titleist, true to their commercial desire that the game not be bifurcated, wishes simply to downplay what is really happening; that tour players operating under the Condition of Competition are going to balls that better work under the Condition.

And who knows if it is a form of guerilla marketing as well? Promoting a mad desire among the elite cognoscenti to get their hands on a ball that is "tour only." Which simply be introduced at retail around the time of the U.S. Open or something, and will sell like hotcakes (remember the orignial Pro-V1?) even though it does nothing for recreational players...?
01.20.2010 | Unregistered CommenterChuck
Pickworth said it well: Titleist is against bifurcation of the rules, not what an average golfer can buy. And if you read, only a few people even used the special balls.

So, no, to answer the title question.
01.20.2010 | Unregistered CommenterErik J. Barzeski
sometimes people read only what they want to read. i didn't write that it was "bifurcation" per se. I posed the question is it a "form of bifurcation?" - as in a breach of in the spirit of non-bifurcation. i thought it was a question worth asking because the tour rep put in writing that these balls would not be sold commerically.

I'm dumb but not too dumb that I don't know that tour guys and amateurs don't have access to the same equipment. I just have never seen it explicitly stated by an equipment company rep.

interesting thread


lawrence
01.20.2010 | Unregistered Commenterlawrence donegan
OWGR Fan
Thanks. Didn't know Nike designed their own balls. Re Tiger's Nike Mizunos. Well there was a bit of sarcasm there. Just looking for a bite.
Cheers
01.20.2010 | Unregistered CommenterLongy
GolfFan-Yes I could tell the different blends of ProV1s-not sure they'd do me any good but I most certainly can tell the difference, and I know he'll (Scotty) make anything for an outrageous price, maybe what I meant to say is I wish all those neat versions of the Newport were available without jumping thru hoops and paying prices that are insulting ($2k+ for a putter that I'll use and bang up) come on, thats why I have a PING Redwood that is spec'd out, PING was happy to do it and I'm a loyal PING fan.

Come on Jay--would love to hear your thoughts-perhaps offline??!?!!
01.20.2010 | Unregistered CommenterJim
Longy,

I think Norman got DQ'd from an event in the mid to late 90's for using a non-conforming version of the Maxfli HT balata. It was a prototype ball that hadn't been added to the conforming list. Yet, strangely, Maxfli had supplied them to him for tournament use.
01.20.2010 | Unregistered Commentercold topped

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