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Wednesday
Feb152012

World Ranking Head Scratcher Files: Phil Wins @ Pebble Edition

Alex Miceli with the latest Official World Golf Ranking absurdity: Phil Mickelson received fewer World Ranking points for winning the full field AT&T National Pro-Am than Tiger Woods received for beating 17 players at last December's Chevron World Challenge.

When Woods beat Zach Johnson by a stroke at the Chevron, which is an unofficial event, he earned 44 world-ranking points and moved from 52nd in the world to 21st in the Official World Golf Ranking.

Mickelson, with his two-shot margin against Charlie Wi at Pebble Beach, earned only 38 points. That also was 10 less than the 48 points that Rafael Cabrera-Bello gained for winning the Omega Dubai Desert Classic and the same amount that Lee Westwood garnered for winning the Nedbank Golf Challenge, a 12-man exhibition event in South Africa in December.

And this is a system we're allowing to determine major championship fields, and in 2016, the Olympic Games field?

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First T taken to extreme.
02.15.2012 | Unregistered CommenterWalter
This isn't a head scratcher it's a perfect representation of what the world ranking believes, namely who you beat is more important than how many

In Dubai 2-3-4 were in the field (although they were the only 3 in the top 25)

At Chevron 11 of the top 25 were there and several in the top 10

At Nedbank many players fro the top 25 were represented, included 3 of the top 4 (I'm to lazy to go look up exact numbers right now)

At Pebble you had one member of the top 10 and only 3 of the top 25

Hence, Phil beat a lot of people, but not many highly ranked people, and doesn't get as many points. Agree or disagree with that (and I don't), but that's how the system works, and it is consistent.
02.15.2012 | Unregistered Commenterelf
The flaw in the system is that, like Greg Norman's World Tour, it's designed to keep the riff-raff out of the big events. Once you're in the club, it's much easier to stay than it is to get there.

K
02.15.2012 | Unregistered Commenterkenoneputt
<< This isn't a head scratcher it's a perfect representation of what the world ranking believes, namely who you beat is more important than how many. >>

Let's toss in one more small factor: How about WHAT you win?

Look, Luke Donald had a great year, won a few events and captured two money titles but seriously, if this silly ranking is to determine the "best" golfer in the world for a particular stretch, then Majors simply must carry more weight. When virtually every top-ranked professional admits that, variously, 'Majors are the only ones that count,' and 'I'd trade five of these for one major,' and 'I'm using this to get read for (the next major') we can see that anything but the big four is simply a payday.

Oh, but I digress. The OWGR is a nothing stat created by a management firm simply to tout its players. One thing is sure: FANS DON'T TALK ABOUT IT. When was the last time you sat in the bar after a round and didn't talk about a player or a tournament but instead all chatter focused on the RANKINGS? You said "never?" You're right.

The only people who actually care about the OWGR are the talking hair-do's at the Golf Channel as in, "Former world number one Tiger Woods today.... etc."

As for Woody and his little end-of-the-year, show-up-and-we'll-pay-you SIXTEEN MAN EXHIBITION.... well, don't get me started. When a hit-and-giggle event such as this gets OWGR ranking points that tells you all you need to know about the rankings.

Worthless.
02.15.2012 | Unregistered Commenterbenseattle
ben, you SEEM TO CARE A LOT ABOUT IT. In fact, it appears that YOU JUST WENT ON FOR OVER 200 WORDS on the topic. To an arms length observer IT WOULD APPEAR THAT YOU CARE ALMOST AS MUCH as you do when Johnny Miller MAKES A PREDICTION YOU DO NOT LIKE!

I'm hard pressed to see how the OWGR could possibly be constructed to the advantage of players from a single management firm. Does it need some tweaking, sure. Is it going away, def not.

Maybe we could get the powers that be to adopt the Sagarin/GolfWeek Ranking instead? Suits me.

Oh wait, that won't work, Tiger's ranked 14th in the Sagarin/Golfweek Ranking, even higher than the 18th spot where he's listed in the OWGR.

Oh well...
02.15.2012 | Unregistered CommenterDel the Funk
I know that IMG can do anything they want with these rankings, but I've never understand the use of an arbitrary "divisor" of 40 events - presumably made up by them, but why ? It penalises players who play less ( ironically their own best client until recently ) and helps those who play a lot - but it doesn't give an accurate measure of actual performance. The Rolex rankings for the Ladies simply divide the points earned by the number of events played - thus also allowing for periods of absence due to injury for instance. Seems much fairer to me.

Plus I endorse the comment that it's much harder to get into the elite than it is to leave it - there's a strong element of self-perpetuation in the current system, you get automatic entry into the stronger events with more points on offer, denied to those just outside the bubble who fall further behind - although I will acknowledge you still have to play well once you're there.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered Commenterdavid
@benseattle ... I think you'll find it was the R&A who were behind it. They needed a system in place in order to avoid having to leave out leading (american!) players from their Open. Cue McCormack and IMG.

Let's face it, the yanks will never be satisfied until all the points are in yank-land like most everything else is!!!

Stop whingeing!
I always have to chuckle when frosted tips Donald is introduced as World #1. It's telling then how meaningful these rankings really are.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered CommenterLeeWatson
I agree with those who say the OWGR is not perfect, but it's pretty good for what it does.

My nitpicks about the formula:

Well obviously, the smaller field events simply are weighted too heavily at the top.

A bigger problem is that the smaller field events are weighted too heavily at the bottom. For example, Lee Westwood got 38 points for winning the 12 person Sun City event, the same as Phil did for winning at Pebble. But Francesco Molinari, who finished 22 shots behind Westwood in 11th place at Sun City, got MORE points than the 6 players who tied for 9th at Pebble.

Also, the first round losers at last year's Accenture Match Play got over 2 world ranking points just for showing up and losing their first round match. Obviously that is ridiculous and gives credence to the argument that the system keeps "the riff-raff" out

There are other things that may not be perfect, but in general, I think it does as good a job as any system I've seen. Certainly, it's much better than what the professional tennis tour uses, where it is mathematically possible for a number 1-ranked player to successfully defend a major title and lose their number one ranking.

Anyone who wants to completely overhaul the OWGR probably couldn't do a better job. But there are still flaws that should be addressed.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered Commenterpenneraj
Another absurdity is that the Masters and USGA use the OWGR to help set the fields for their respective majors. Looks like it might have helped to do a little more research before going down that road.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered CommenterJeff Smith
@David. IMG Haven't had have anything to do with the OWGR since 2004.
The R&A, USGA, Augusta National and respective Tours are in control of the system.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered Commentermetro18
I don't think "silly season" very small field exhibitions should get World Ranking Points
02.16.2012 | Unregistered CommenterJay Townsend
I'm with you there Jay. If it doesn't count on a Tour, then it shouldn't count for the OWGR.
The Shanghai Masters didn't and it was arguably a better field.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered Commentermetro18
Limited-field events, i.e Ned Bank, Chevron, and the other silly season 'by invite only' events should either have OWGR points prorated based on total number of entries vs a full-field event, or a combination formula based on the minimum number of entries, including the number of Top 10, Top 25, etc. players entered. I am not a mathmatical genius - nor a TW hater, but for TW to get more points for winning his 'invitational' with 17 players than PM or anyone who would have won at a full-field AT&T seems a little out of order. Same goes for Westwood winning a 12-player end of year 'bonus event'. Evidence of 'easier to stay there than get there'.......

The system is not the worse, but certainly is not perfect, and does need continued adjustments. TW going from 50th to 27th or something (sic) with a win in the Chevron exhibition is a good example that limited-field events need some governing on the OWGR points awarded. Also, more emphasis for deducting points for WD, DQ, or MC should be weighed in the process.


@ metro 18 You are correct IMG no longer 'controls' the OWGR that they had originated to promote thier clients - at one time only IMG knew how they ratings were computed.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered CommenterTheProFromDover
"who you beat is more important than how many"

the above nails it. Chevron got more points because there were more name guys there. thats what i want. strength of schedule is paramount.


The system discriminates against new players--so what. every club in life discriminates against new players.

Masters is the best major, and it has the smallest field... should it recieve fewer rating points too?

If you exclude the silly season events, you will get more trevor immelman's in the field, and you will drop guys like els faster. Parity--anonymity--will be encouraged. If its not bad policy, its certainly bad TV.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered Commentersmails
Silly season events should count only in the bank account.

OWGR should reboot on January 1, with the previous year determining who gets in the Majors, such as OWGR has anything to do with that.

Or, OWGR should be abolished in favor of official money. The various TOURS can decide how to count earnings among and between their organizations.
Ky- official money doesnt really work because the US Tour is more lucerative (apart from appearance fees) then the Euro tour.

the US guys would love you suggestion--bunch of euros would get dropped from the US Open in favor of guys here in the states.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered Commentersmails
@david..

While I'm no great fan of the OWGR, you are wrong about the LPGA's Rolex Rankings. They have a minimum divisor of 35, which given the small number of LPGA events, is even more onerous than using 40 for the men.

The logic is that if you have a player like Michelle Wie, who at one time was playing in a half-dozen events a year, and finishing in the top ten regularly, she would have been #1 or #2 and that wasn't going to be acceptable.

On the PGA Tour, without a 40-event minimum, at the end of 2011 Tiger would have moved up from 23 to 16. Back in 2010, it would have kept him on top of the ranking for even longer.

Whether that's good or bad isn't my concern, but the system rewards people who play a lot.

If it was in existence in 1953, when Hogan won five of the six tournaments he entered, including all three majors he played in, it wouldn't have resulted in him being #1. And that would most likely have caused outrage.

K
02.16.2012 | Unregistered Commenterkenoneputt
ken1putt, I think what you mention about the LPGA did in fact happen, didn't it? Michelle Wie actually ascended to #1 or #2 and the detractors got all bent out of shape about it. So it was changed.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered CommenterDel the Funk
Agree with "who you beat" being important. That said, I agree with KLG in that the Silly Season should only count in the bank account -
Why not just count official tour events - Euro, PGA, Asian, Austrailian official tour events only? No points for sanctioned events - only for OFFICIAL tour events world-wide - there is a BIG difference. Keeps marquee players from hosting their own event with a closed field and they give each other OWGR points for showing up. Simply elminate all OWGR points for non - official tour events.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered CommenterTheProfromDover
Chevron and Nedbank are sponsored by the PGA and Sunshine Tours respectively, they also have a defined entry system, Shanghai Masters was an IMG invite event, and not sponsored by any tour, hence why it didn't give ranking points. There are other small field events that give out points, including world match-play and the Tour championship. If the OWGR gave more points for having players from 50-300 in the rankings then you would see a lot less of small field events giving more points than large field PGA/Euro tour events.

In order to take an average you need a minimum divisor, but 40 is to high and unfairly penalizes new and injured players. Also the home tour bonus is a joke, and you shouldn't get points for finishing in the bottom half of a field etc

Overall though the OWGR does a good job, and most players benefit at some point from some of the quirky things in the OWGR that should probably be abolished, so it's fair.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered Commenterelf
@smails: Totally agree on the absolute money, but I was thinking more of the rankings on each Tour as determined by official money. Personally, I can't imagine being a 20-something hotshot and choosing Memphis over Majorca. In any case, the "internationals," broadly considered, are eventually going to clean the USA's clock, just like the Euros have in the RC. And Golf will be better off.
I love the international players. watch more euro tour than the US. But i also remember a bunch of people saying the euros would dominate back in the late 70s-early 80s, after Nicklaus' domination faded.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered Commentersmails
Smails,
Masters may be the best tournament, I agree, but it is the weakest field of all the majors.
02.16.2012 | Unregistered CommenterKevin
Kevin, its funny how the weakest field contributes to the best tournament.
02.17.2012 | Unregistered CommenterGoose
@elf FYI The Chevron 'invite' is not an "official" PGA Tour event ( same as Skins Game, Grand Slam, and other exhibition-type held following the offical season that require appoval or sanction by the PGA Tour). Teh event requires to be approved or sanctioned by the PGA Tour but does not fall into any official catergory as an offical PGA Tour event.

The 12-player Ned Bank is now recognized by the Sunshine Tour as an "official" win on their tour.

An event can be sanctioned or approved by the PGA Tour but teh money and / or the win does l not count as a Offical Tour Event. That being said, how can OWGR points be 'given' to a non-oficial event if teh money and the ponts are not counted as official.

Just saying, there is just too much discrimination for awarding disproportionate OWGR points among these type of exhibition, less-than-full field, silly season, bonus type invite-only, events. We fully understand they have specific entry systems for which qualifies a player's entery. So does the normal Wednesday Pro Am on tour.

We agree full with your comment : "most players benefit at some point from some of the quirky things in the OWGR that should probably be abolished, so it's fair."
02.17.2012 | Unregistered CommenterTheProFromDover
The six players who tied for ninth had to divvy up the points from 9th through 14th. That's why they got fewer points than the guy who tied for 11th.
02.18.2012 | Unregistered CommenterErik J. Barzeski

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