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Monday
Sep102012

Rory Says He's Always Felt More British Than Irish, Officially Commencing Four Year Effort To Let Ireland Down Easy

Derek Lawrenson got Rory McIlroy talking on a variety of topics in a Daily Mail interview.

Yet all anyone will talk about in Ireland is this bit, which would seem to be a well-calculated decision to begin laying the groundwork for the choice he'll have to make before the 2016 Olympics: which country he'll represent.

‘What makes it such an awful position to be in is I have grown up my whole life playing for Ireland under the Golfing Union of Ireland umbrella,’ he said. ‘But the fact is, I’ve always felt more British than Irish.

‘Maybe it was the way I was brought up, I don’t know, but I have always felt more of a connection with the UK than with Ireland.

Even after that opening ceremony? Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt. Go on...

And so I have to weigh that up against the fact that I’ve always played for Ireland and so it is tough. Whatever I do, I know my decision is going to upset some people but I just hope the vast majority will understand.’

This is the first time McIlroy has unequivocally declared an affinity for the UK over  Ireland and it will certainly go down like a lead balloon in some quarters.

Those quarters being here.

Meanwhile, bad news for those hoping Caroline Wozniacki would be livening up the European contingent with her presence at the Ryder Cup.

Wozniacki will be in Tokyo during the Ryder Cup and so will miss the biennial parade of the spouses and girlfriends that has bizarrely become part of the occasion. ‘You never know, she might be lucky enough to experience it  all at wild and wet Gleneagles in 2014,’ he said, mischievously.

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Seems like he made sensible well-balanced comments on what is potentially a tricky issue. Until the spectre of Golf at the Olympics (yeugh) a top NI golfer could get away with not having to state a preference - now he can't and he's going to have to upset someone, as he says. Sending out a feeler in this way whilst the Olympics are still in people's minds and emphasising how it is just a personal thing which he can't really rationalise too much looks like a sensible starting point.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered Commenterbs
Good for Rory. Its his decision and no one elses. Hey ROI your Paddy needs a partner!
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterAmen Coroner
Follow the money
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterRose
@Rose

I don't think money is his motivation in this decision. Most of his future income is likely to be derived from the US and I'd suggest he’s more marketable as Irish than British.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered Commenteract38
If you follow the comments below the Daily Mail article it is clear how difficult this situation is for Rory (and for Gmac as well). After the Ryder Cup in 2010 Rory put a Union Jack on Gmac's shoulders and Gmac took it off pretty quickly. Gmac had a similar response when Harrington tried to put the Irish flag on him. They are in a no-win situation, sad as they are golfers not politicians.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterStiggy
Caught between the devil and deep blue sea.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered Commentermetro18
If he opts to compete for Team GB in 2016 then he is stuck with that decision for life. This may not be an issue for 2016 but it will likely be much harder to qualify for Team GB than Team Ireland so in making this decision he is likely limiting the number of Olympics that he will play in. In order to play on Team GB, at least given the current qualifying criteria, he will likely have to be at least in the top 15 of the World Rankings. But if he was on Team Ireland then he only has to be the second ranked Irish player. Currently that is Shane Lowry ranked #132 (assuming that all of the Ulstermen play for Team GB).

Given current rankings GMac, who is ranked #17 in the World, would not qualify for Team GB as the four players would be Rory, Westwood, Rose and Donald - if he wants to play he will have to play for Ireland.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterWayne
@Act 38.

I don't disagree that he is more marketable here as Irish. I have a hard time conceiving of a working class catholic kid who lost an uncle to loyalist paramilitaries identifying as British.

Now perhaps he uses "British" and "subject" synonymously in which case I can buy it.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterRose
The reality is that most people who are aware of Rory Mcilroy probably have no idea about this issue, certainly at this point.

I agree that being "Irish" as opposed to "British" will make him more marketable in the USA which is quite ridiculous really.

I am a Brit living in the USA with 3 kids who were born here.
It is very clear to me that my grandkids will be American with a British heritage.
The vast majority of "Irish" people in the USA are not Irish at all, they are American with a distint connection to Ireland.
They certainly don't have any idea about how complex the situation in Northern Ireland is (nor did I probably).
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterStiggy
I agree it's a tough issue and one that he has given some thought no doubt, however I have no idea why he would bring it up at this moment, 2 weeks from the tour Championship and a few weeks from the Ryder Cup. There's lots of time to talk about these things, it's not a distraction he needed now. Anyway, what's done is done, we'll see how it goes from here.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterPress Agent
@ Stiggy

Stiggy, I think you hit the mail on the head. I'm an Irish citizen living in the US and my sense is that the multi generational identification of Americans as Irish, Italian, Polish etc., has more to do with circumstances faced by those groups on arrival in the 1800's and early 1900's. Its a fascinating part of the social fabric of this country. It does exist for sure.

My guess is that if it is about economics McIlroy identifies as a subject because it provides a broader platform worldwide.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterRose
He has a UK passport. His elected officials all report to Westminster. The Government is a part of UK, and he pays taxes to the UK. Why is it shocking that he chooses the UK? I believe he has said all along that was his lean. To me it would be much more drastic political statement if he were to choose Ireland. (and I am a US Citizen) Honestly, it seems sort of bizarre that they are given the choice.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
British or UK-ish?

Do people on the Isle of Man, Jersey, or Guernsey feel "British"?

Harry Vardon, from Jersey, played for the UK in a number of tournaments. Never mind being part of Britain, Jersey isn't even part of the UK (technically, it is a British Crown Dependency).

Maybe it is just time for all the Britsh-related isles to come together and form an proper and consistent sovereign state without all this border shuffling when it comes to athletics or diplomacy.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterAbu Dhabi Golfer
A return to The Troubles?
09.10.2012 | Unregistered Commentertlavin
BrianS,
He's also entitled to hold an Irish passport, if he so wishes along with all Northern Irish cirtizens. As with other sportspeople from Northern Ireland, he entitled to declare for the purposes of the Olympics for GB&NI or Ireland. Due to the nature of the historical & political situation, it may seem bizarre to you, but these are some of the compromises that were agreed and now allow NI society to function in a somewhat normal way.

Maybe it would be a nice reflection on how NI society has (hopefully) moved on, and national identity could take second place to sporting opportunity - anyway it's clearly all part of Padraig Harrington's masterplan:
http://www.irishgolfdesk.com/news-files/2012/2/4/olympic-allegiance-emotions-should-be-taken-out-of-it-says-h.html
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterKieran
Kinda odd he has a choice... Must all Northern Irish face this decision?
09.10.2012 | Unregistered Commentergrr
Just because you "feel" like something else doesn't change who you are.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterD. maculata
D. maculata, while I would normally agree with you, in this case that is precisely the point.
He (along with anyone else from Northern Ireland) can choose who to compete for based on how he feels.
In fact the same is true of others, like my kids, who have dual nationality.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterStiggy
@Kieran
"Maybe it would be a nice reflection on how NI society has (hopefully) moved on"

I second that!
09.10.2012 | Unregistered Commenteract38
If the two top Northern Ireland golfers declare for Britain then we get 4 Irish golfers in the Olympics. That's good enough for me.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterDavid
@grr, no golfer has ever had to face this decision before, since Eire and Northern Ireland have always constituted "Ireland" in golfing competitions, while England, Scotland and Wales have had their own teams. As for Olympic athletes in other sports, though, I believe the answer is yes.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterHawkeye
Vijay was able to play Euro events without a release from PGA Tour
as this was his "home" tour. Believe he had what was considered a UK passport.
Asian Tour should have been his "home tour" at the time.
Maybe he could play for Ireland Vijay McSingh
09.10.2012 | Unregistered Commenterfwiw
@stiggy ... Darren Clarke didn't seem have a problem with Paul McGinley draping the republican flag around his shoulders.

Good for Rory. Northern Ireland has always had its own distinct personality. For one thing the northern irish accent is quite different to the southern irish accent. In a nutshell, he doesn't become less irish just because he chooses to play under a british flag anymore than I would become less scottish playing under that same flag.
No problem with who he plays for but just find it a tad odd to describe oneself as more British than Irish. Think NI needs to reclaim the Irish word..can be Irish and still a British subject. Don't think you would find a Welsh or Scot saying they were British ? Good luck to him whatever...ppl are going to find fault with any call made,
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterMax
@Max

"Don't think you would find a Welsh or Scot saying they were British"

It's quite common. Although more likely they would say I'm Scottish and British, or Welsh and British
09.10.2012 | Unregistered Commenteract38
@act38

I fairly much agree with you - it depends on who you are talking to if you are Scottish or British. At passport control one wouldn't be making a point of it but culturally it would matter. That is why I was making the point it is about time those of us from the North can claim to be Irish without necessarily meaning supporting the Rep..and as I said best of luck to Rory !
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterMax
@David - The qualifying for the Olympics is two players per country except if you are in the top 15 you get up to 4 players from your countrynfor players in the top 15. GMac is currently #17 so he would to qualify Team GB, and he is also not in the top 4 from Team GB as that is Rory(if he chooses GB), Luke Donald, Lee Westwood and Justin Rose). So if GMac wants to play he is with Ireland, at least as it currently stands, no matter which team Rory plays for. But if Rory and GMac both play for Ireland then Padraig is out, so you are right that if more Ulstermen declare for Team GB the it means more Irish in the competition.
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterWayne
Stiggy, you seem to have a rather large axe to grind. This issue isn't about how Americans view Rory, it's about how Rory views himself. Why do idiots like you always change the subject to whatever political hobbyhorse is galavanting through your transom?
09.10.2012 | Unregistered CommenterManos

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