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Apr192013

Even High Schoolers Wonder If Favoritism Influenced Tiger's Masters Drop Decision

Justin Tasch files a fun NY Daily News story--well it's fun unless you're Billy Payne assessing the impact of Fred Ridley's botched initial assessment of Tiger's Masters drop--talking to Catholic High School Athletic Association coaches and players who know their Rules of Golf.

Namely, they wonder how both Tiger and the committee blew last week's Masters water hazard drop. Even worse, they wonder if the committee played favorites.

“The kids said, ‘We spotted it, but why didn’t the marshals?’” Niklaus said Wednesday before his team’s match against St. Francis Prep at Douglaston Golf Course. “In their minds, they were thrown off by, ‘Is it favoritism?’”

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Out of the mouths of babes...
04.19.2013 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
Any chance this hullabaloo costs Ridley the Chair at ANGC?
04.19.2013 | Unregistered CommenterTighthead
from ridley's press conference, he's the only one that sounds sane in this discussion

was a fine decision...the golf.com survey confirmed it

the raging remainder need to move on
04.19.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDaphne
Daphe had too many scooby snacks
04.19.2013 | Unregistered CommenterAmen Coroner
A Daphne/Scooby Doo reference > Priceless!
04.19.2013 | Unregistered CommenterAbu Dhabi Golfer
Safe to say, if kids are talking about it, it is now part of the Tiger Woods Narrative.

Quick, send @elf or @sari out there to talk to them to stem the tide!
04.19.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrookline
“In that situation, you have to play the ball from where it was. You can’t go as far as he did away from the spot,” said McGowan, who added that in a similar scenario he would “place the ball as close as you can, and check with all your peers to make sure it’s okay.”

I'm going to phone in the next time McGowan places his ball in that situation....I was a marshall in a couple of US Opens.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterKevin part deux
Time for Fred Ridley to come clean !
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterSteve
In paragraph 8 it states "...Niklaus recently taught his players about a putting infraction that results in a two-stroke penalty for reaching over the hole for a tap-in." Unfortunatley, there is not a penalty for doing this. No wonder players have so many problems with the rules, when the instructors make mistatements.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBill H
When I watch the Fred Ridley interview, I see a guy who doesn't have command over the facts the way someone would if those facts were true. Hope I'm wrong.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterLord Taco
Bill I think that was an old rule that was modified after woods broke it in the masters.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterJim Douglas
@kevin If each time you drop it, it bounces forward, eventually you are entitled to place it, correct?
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterHilltop
Of course I meant closer to the hole...
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterHilltop
I am astounded at the conspiracy theories; does everyone really think that Ridley made this whole caller up? It was a screw-up, plain and simple, not the first by otherwise knowledgeable rules officials (see Holland US Open 1994), nor likely the last.

Having said that, I agree with those who concluded that Tiger missed an opportunity here; even though he received a ruling allowing him to continue, and was entitled to continue at that point, he was in a no-win situation. If he won, it would have been an asterisk and people would never have let him forget. Withdrawing would have gone a tremendous way towards rehabilitating his image and would have avoided the no-win scenario.

Of course, that is easy for me to say outside the arena and not a competitor.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterSari
I always considered Augusta national the last venue for an un-bias attitude regarding Woods. Maybe it was intimidation that influenced this decision, a reluctance to dare to approach Woods. Of course if they had, they would have had to deal with all the Woods lovers out there so until they had what amounted to a confession, they sat on their hands.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterMulligan
During Ridley's interview with Nantz, the eye-blinking rate was off the charts on one of the more key responses.

Felt sorry for the guy.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterJohn C
Woods' vaunted brain has never grasped the nettle -- the feeling that he HAS to rehabilitate his image. He went through that apology exercise with ill grace and churning stomach that February for one reason and one only: so he would not miss that Masters. It had nothing to do with humility or plans to change; he spoke of entitlement but clearly still felt entitled. And still does: he thinks his blessed destiny, to beat Nicklaus' record, is an entitlement and trumps all other considerations. And so many of his moronic supporters, from the sponsors who abide him and the mouth-breathing get-in-the-hole fans, enable this self-appraisal.

He may have cheated deliberately at the Masters (though I do not accuse him of that; I thought he was just trying to manipulate the rules to his advantage, as usual). But NOTHNIG would ever make Tiger Woods walk out on a major. Not now, when time is against him. He has lost enough time to injury.

And the Masters people gave him his out, with their byzantine ruling. Anyone who was ever under the delusion that this shower was principled -- and that's a pack with which I have never run -- has now been disabused of the notion. That decision was based on one thing and one only: the weekend ratings of their precious "major." In this, as in so much else over the club's history, they were disgusting.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGhillie
Sari,
Yes 350,000,000 reasons why!
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterSteve
Ghillie..manipulating the rules to your advantage has been done by golfers forever. It is not the same as breaking the rules. Tiger clearly broke the rule and I have never heard him dispute that point once he was made aware of it. It's time for this issue to disappear off radar, except at ANGC where a thorough post mortem is required. I suspect you'll see walking rules officials with every group next year!
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrad
What's the half life of this story?
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
Part of the story here is Tiger's narcissistic personality. These develop when the person is raised to believe he is the chosen one. You can't count on the integrity of such people.

Ridley may be one too.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterLord Taco
''he was just trying to manipulate the rules to his advantage''

Ghillie, do you sincerely think he believed he had an advantage playing from his drop over taking the drop over to the left, where he would have been in the correct area? I have never been there, I am curious as to what the advantage would have been.

DTF- Half Life! I don't think we have finished the intro yet. Maybe we need the Boston cops to clear this up.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
Dig, I just find it very hard to believe Tiger Woods did not know the rule for a correct drop. Or his ever-so-experienced caddie. I am prepared to accept -- with some reservation -- that in the heat of the moment he might have confused his options and naturally worked with the one he liked the best. When informed otherwise, there are players who would have disqualified themselves. He in my opinion would never belong to such a tribe. Anyone who thinks a boulder is a loose impediment is not acquainted with the finer points of principle.

I asked on another thread -- which one I now forget -- if Tiger has ever called a penalty on himself. Don't know where it is so I don't know if anyone ever answered. I'll ask again.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGhillie
Ghillie, the Phoenix relief was exactly in line with 23-1/2.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterT. Mitchell
Judging by other epic rules infractions/rulings, the half life on this story is probably longer than the remaining life expectancy of most of the posters here. I am not kidding.

We almost went down a similar path 8 years ago with the Woods' casual putt straddle on the 14th hole during the first round of the 2005 Masters. The difference: that was just before the YouTube era.

Referencing an atomic term is very appropriate as high-profile rules crises in golf are a bit like reactor meltdowns. There is just no clean solution and the damage is visible for decades and/or generations.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterSharif
Wow...the Tiger haters just can't let this one go. Hope you all got your refills of Lipitor this month. I think as a protest to Fred Ridley and the Augusta National GC for their blatant display of "favoritism," they should all stop watching the Masters. Stand up for what you believe in! By the way, this is the same club that had their Chairman sit on his high horse and admonish Tiger for his personal life. Was it favoritism then?
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDanny Boy
Where you been ADG? Laying low and reveling?
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
@Jim, Bill is correct. As the line of putt does not extend beyond the hole, reaching across the hole to tap in a putt cannot be a breach of Rule 16-1e (what TW did in 2005(?) was different).
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Peterson
Danny Boy - the Arnie haters still bring up the incident at the 1958 Masters. And you're still suprised that Tiger haters are still talking about this after one week?
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrookline
@Brookline. 1958 was before my time, so I had to search for it on google. The first link I found was the following -
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/masters08/columns/story?columnist=harig_bob&id=3321633. I am a fan of Arnold Palmer and all he has done for the game, but it begs to question, why everyone keeps citing that Arnold or Jack would have withdrawn for the Masters if they experienced Tiger's same rules predicament, when any intelligent person would say "I don't have a clue of what these two men would do."
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDanny Boy
So...he has never called a penalty on himself. Without Sin.

Yeah.
04.20.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGhillie
Bill H,
Yes that rules does exist. It's not very well explained in the article, but the coach is referencing the penalty if you try to "rake the ball towards you over the hole" type of shot, where you reach over the hole and brush it back towards you, or pulling it back to you, as it were. So yes that rule is in place and it is an illegal shot.
04.21.2013 | Unregistered CommenterHH
Tiger's explanation reminding me O.J. Simpson.
04.21.2013 | Unregistered CommenterNospin
Why would Tiger try to cheat with tv cameras watching plus thousands of spectators and millions of tv viewers?Course he isn't going to-this was a classic case of brain fade in the heat of the moment.Much has been written-at GREAT length-about this on here and I know the Rules are complicated but good grief!!!None of us on here know what happened that evening so there is a huge amount of speculation purporting to be fact.If indeed the committee story is true then applying 33-7 was legitimate and so was Tigers penalty and there was no need for him to withdraw.This rule has been applied for this reason before.If the story was anything other than its final incarnation then both the committee and Tiger should have had the weekend off!All Tiger is actually guilty of is hitting a very unlucky shot,having brain fade and then telling all on tv.Hardly srime of the century.
04.21.2013 | Unregistered Commenterchico
Why would Tiger try to cheat with tv cameras watching plus thousands of spectators and millions of tv viewers?Course he isn't going to-this was a classic case of brain fade in the heat of the moment.Much has been written-at GREAT length-about this on here and I know the Rules are complicated but good grief!!!None of us on here know what happened that evening so there is a huge amount of speculation purporting to be fact.If indeed the committee story is true then applying 33-7 was legitimate and so was Tigers penalty and there was no need for him to withdraw.This rule has been applied for this reason before.If the story was anything other than its final incarnation then both the committee and Tiger should have had the weekend off!All Tiger is actually guilty of is hitting a very unlucky shot,having brain fade and then telling all on tv.Hardly srime of the century.
04.21.2013 | Unregistered Commenterchico
What seems to be missing in this whole argument is why golf allows TV viewers to call penalties? In the three major American sports multiple camera angles and sloo-mo replays do show officiating errors. However, play and decisions on the field are the only ones that count. Can you imagine what would happen if a Super Bowl was overturned by a fan with a HD TV, TiVo and a remote control?

Tiger, his caddy, his playing partner, HIS caddy, the scorekeeper, the 1000 or so in the gallery said zip. The TV commentators only spoke of how Woods was robbed. That has to be the criteria. Funny, an event so rich that a few years ago it showed the entire tournament ad free, finds it difficult to utilize a rules interpreter on every hole.

Nonetheless, ignore the TV umpires and allow "the rub of the green" to direct events.
04.21.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGene Oberto
Masters is much more storied, has a greater heritage and legacy than TW. To think Ridley or the referees or the commitee would undermine this for the sake of TW is preposterous and shows how little this author values the power of sentiment.
Time to move on.
04.21.2013 | Unregistered CommenterEverydayjoe
The favoritism was that they didn't bother to talk to him before they made their initial ruling,
04.21.2013 | Unregistered CommenterThe O
Comparing Tiger Woods to O.J. Simpson reminds me of how stupid people some people on this earth really are..
04.21.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDanny Boy
@digsouth

Your posts are entertaining, spontaneous and from the heart...you are a breath of fresh air around here...hang in there.
04.21.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBobby D

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