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  • Tommy's Honor: The Story of Old Tom Morris and Young Tom Morris, Golf's Founding Father and Son
    Tommy's Honor: The Story of Old Tom Morris and Young Tom Morris, Golf's Founding Father and Son
    by Kevin Cook
  • His Ownself: A Semi-Memoir (Anchor Sports)
    His Ownself: A Semi-Memoir (Anchor Sports)
    by Dan Jenkins
  • The Captain Myth: The Ryder Cup and Sport's Great Leadership Delusion
    The Captain Myth: The Ryder Cup and Sport's Great Leadership Delusion
    by Richard Gillis
  • The Ryder Cup: Golf's Grandest Event โ€“ A Complete History
    The Ryder Cup: Golf's Grandest Event โ€“ A Complete History
    by Martin Davis
  • A Life Well Played: My Stories
    A Life Well Played: My Stories
    by Arnold Palmer

I can sum it up like this: Thank God for the game of golf.



East Lake's Nine Reversal: Heresy Or Overdue?

The AJC's Chris Vivlamore considers the sensitivity of reversing the East Lake nines for this week's Tour Championship and given the course's traditional routing, says there are concerns about upsetting the legacy of Bobby Jones.

Why, I'm not entirely sure, given that Jones did not route the course or declare its design sacred in any writings. And as Viviamore points out, Jones and MacKenzie flipped the nines at Augusta National early on because sometimes it just makes sense.

In the case of East Lake, the switch means the island green 6th becomes the 15th and the reachable par-5 9th is the finishing hole. So while the previous configuration did produce it share of moments, it's hard to say that the old sequencing was particularly sacred.

Viviamore writes and quotes tournament chairman Rob Johnston:

"It came down to two things," Johnston said. "One, we wanted more hospitality venues and more friendly patron viewing experiences. We think it does this by reversing the nines. The second thing is, if you just look at raw scoring, there is very little volatility on the old Nos. 16, 17 and 18 versus what we think the new Nos. 15-18 will be. It's the drama, the excitement and the fan experience."

Finishing on a par-5 likely will bring more leaderboard movement with the tournament on the line. Since 1998, the former 18th hole had a scoring average of 3.169 (plus-.160) and yielded zero eagles and 153 birdies. The new 18th had a scoring average of 4.677 (minus-.323) and yielded 16 eagles and 700 birdies.

Excitement has never been a word associated with East Lake, so why not?


Euro Ryder Cup Team After Italy: Willett Up, Westwood Down

The Italian Open provided a final tune-up for some European Ryder Cuppers and one of the team's biggest questions marks had his best week in months.

Danny Willett played his final 69 holes without a bogey, finishing second.

There was this roundup posted by the European Tour of other team members. Everyone flashed moments of decent golf except Lee Westwood, who missed the cut.

Westwood may have a brewing distraction (thanks reader David). According to the Daily Mail's Amie Gordon, the Lee Westwood School is being countersued by families who were sued for leaving early.

Westwood is cutting ties with the school, according to the report.

It was a great finish in Italy, here is Francesco Molinari wrapping up his home nation's Open on the last hole in grand fashion:


Congratulations @chiccogolf ๐Ÿ†๐Ÿ†

A video posted by European Tour (@europeantour) on Sep 18, 2016 at 10:01am PDT



Vin Scully's Golf Digest My Shot

It's been a few years but with just ten games left in Vin Scully's legendary broadcast career, worth another look is the Dodgers announcer (67 years!) and sometimes golf broadcaster's Golf Digest My Shot with Guy Yocom.

On silence:

AH, THAT 1975 Masters. When Tom Weiskopf and Johnny Miller had putts on the last hole to tie Jack Nicklaus, I said at the time, "So it comes down to this..." and briefly outlined the scene as clearly as I could. At that point, I swiveled the microphone on my headset over my head, away from my mouth. I did that so I could resist the announcer's temptation to say something else. There really is nothing to say at that point. The silence as Tom and Johnny prepared to putt was profound. Thousands of people encircled 18, yet I could hear birds chirping in the trees. Not a sound from the patrons, and it was that silence that was the star. It conveyed all the tension, expectance and suspense. To me, there is nothing more magical in golf than the nothing sound of silence.

And on his reading...I forgot that likes him some Dan Jenkins!

I'M A BIG READER. I buy a lot of books, but I get a lot of books sent to me. They accumulate like you wouldn't believe. When we moved from the Palisades to Hidden Hills, I donated close to 400 books to a local library. I do enjoying reading a lot. For a realistic view of baseball at the major-league level, get Three Nights in August by Buzz Bissinger. If you want to know how sports can impact a man and his family for better and worse, get When Pride Still Mattered: A Life of Vince Lombardi by David Maraniss. If you want a highly entertaining, funny golf novel, get Dead Solid Perfect by Dan Jenkins.


Jack: Task Force Puts Pressure On Young Players To Win

USA Today's Roxanna Scott reports that Jack Nicklaus spoke at length at the Creighton Farms Invitational about the state of the Ryder Cup and reiterated his view that the task force Task Force "Task Force" is "overkill".

But I thought this was a particularly shrewd point given the desire to inject the team with youth over veterans.

“I don’t really see the necessity to put the pressure on the young guys to win the Ryder Cup,” Nicklaus said. “They’ve got enough pressure on them week after week. When I was playing we had four major championships. Now we have four major championships, four world championships, the Players Championship, we’ve got the Olympics. We’ve got other significant events, they play all around the world.”


The Bubba Backtracking Begins! To Practice With Team USA

I'm not sure if Davis Love finally realized that he could go to Hazeltine National with no headaches or a giant, throbbing one, it seems he's warming to Bubba Watson as his last captain's pick.

Tim Rosaforte reported that the world no. 7 and third highest-ranked American will join six members of the U.S. Ryder Cup team for a pre-Ryder Cup Hazeltine practice session this weekend.

Love said Watson is "the opposite of that," Rosaforte reported, and is a popular presence in the team room. "He's quirky, but so is Phil [Mickelson,]" Rosaforte said Love told him.

"I told Bubba after the Olympics, remember, there's a pick after the Tour Championship," Love said he told Watson.

That's a weird one given that Watson finished ahead of Rickie Fowler, who has already been picked.

The full report:

Love does have quite the notecard collection to stare at Bubba's name amidst the options:




Today In The Tiger Rumor Mill: Buying Taylor Made And Restoring A South Shore Course For Free?

Both rumors center around someone not known for opening his wallet or doing anything for free, so pinch those grains of salt!

But here goes, starting with the Taylor Made purchase rumor as Tweeted by Rick Young at Score Golf.

More realistic though still going very much against the grain of his tendency to not donate services is the possibility that Woods will be the architect restoring/redesigning Jackson Park, with developer Mike Keiser in a consulting role. 

Teddy Greenstein reports for the Chicago Tribune on the latest involving Mark Rolfing's well-intentioned dream of restoring Jackson Park for both golfers and maybe tour pros.

Rolfing cautioned that Woods' hiring is "not a done deal," but he told the Tribune the 14-time major winner visited Chicago in the last month to tour the property. An announcement could come later this month at the Ryder Cup outside Minneapolis. Woods is an assistant captain for the U.S. team.

"There are so many tentacles to the project," Rolfing said. "There may be room for more than one person."

Woods' spokesman, Glenn Greenspan, said via email: "At this time, we have no new design projects to announce."


Ian Poulter Is Ready For His Hazeltine Cart Driving Duties 

While he may not know yet how to get from the 15th tee to the 18th green to consul his losing team, the injured Ian Poulter is all set to join four other Team Europe shuttle drivers after years of Ryder Cup success.

Doug Ferguson catches up with Poulter, a 14-time point winner in 18 matches, in advance of the Ryder Cup as he nurses arthritis in his foot.

''The role is a big one,'' Poulter said Tuesday. ''As a player, you're sheltered from what goes on behind the scenes because you don't have much time to think about what's going on apart from playing golf. That role has changed significantly. I'm going to be experiencing something very new.''


Golfsmith Coverage: As Usual, It's All Golf's Fault

Nothing is positive about the Golfsmith news because people will lose jobs and some golfers will undoubtedly lose favorite stores.

The news of Golfsmith's bankruptcy filling also offered a disconcerting window into business journalism. I am always mystified how easily such respected names fall back on the lazy "golf is declining" storyline when reporting on entities not succeeding for a number of reasons.

It started off okay yesterday, as WSJ's first story on Golfsmith likely filing dated September 14th at 12:21 am ET authored by Lillian Rizzo and Jacquie McNish makes mention ten paragraphs in about "golf participation levels" declining. Most of the story pinned the bankruptcy on business decisions, bad luck, golf slowing down and general retail sector problems.

The Canadian chain is healthier than its U.S. counterpart because it has a larger market share in a less crowded golf retail sector.

U.S. stores have suffered because of either over saturation in certain markets or being too large in general, said a person close to the matter.

And there was this as well:

Golfsmith’s planned breakup comes four years after it was acquired by Toronto-based Golf Town for about $97 million, a deal that was backed by the private equity arm of the Canadian pension fund OMERS. Following the merger, Golfsmith launched an ambitious expansion across the U.S. with large golf emporiums, some of which featured indoor putting greens and golf simulators.

The strategy quickly unraveled as U.S. golf participation levels declined and increased competition from big box and online retailers eroded profit.

It's a real estate and lease story as much as it is a golf one, and we almost got that.

But then in the second "updated" story posted by the same authors at 4:51 pm ET, the above paragraphs have been deleted with the blame-golf diagnosis for Golfsmith's issues starting in paragraph seven.

While the assessment isn't as bleak as Bloomberg's story, it was nonetheless odd to see the business side of the story deleted in favor of the usual game of blaming consumers.

Golf’s popularity has waned since the heyday of last decade’s Tiger Woods era, and those who have been hitting the links have, until recently, been playing fewer rounds. The National Golf Foundation, an industry research and consulting group, said about 24 million people played the game last year, down from a peak of 30 million in 2005.

There are hopeful signs for a turnaround, with some four million aging baby boomers expected to retire in the coming years. Golfers older than 65 play 80% more rounds of golf than those between the ages of 50 and 64, and the NGF projects that this increase in the number of retirees will boost golf’ popularity.

Unlike the WSJ, Bloomberg's reporting didn't even offer a glimmer of hope for the game, continuing a recent trend by the entity in blaming the sport for causing the issues at Nike, Adidas, Dick's, Sports Authority and if we wait around long enough, probably Walmart and Target too.

Bloomberg's Steven Church and Lauren Coleman-Lochner threw golf under the bus in their lede, saying Golfsmith was "hoping to reorganize or attract a buyer who can save the golf-gear retailer as the sport’s popularity fades in North America."

And of course, it's all Tiger's fault too.

The golf industry hasn’t recovered the popularity it enjoyed at the turn of the century, when Tiger Woods dominated the sport and attracted hordes of new fans. Millennials in particular haven’t embraced golf’s slow pace and hours-long time commitment. The number of U.S. players declined to 24.1 million last year from 25.7 million in 2011, according to the National Golf Foundation.

Nike Inc. has said it will no longer sell equipment for the sport, and Adidas AG is trying to divest most of its golf brands. Sports Authority Inc. filed for bankruptcy in March with a plan to survive by closing unprofitable stores and wound up in liquidation.

I had not seen golf blamed for Sports Authority's undoing, but what hell, why not?

The blame-golf bashing by Bloomberg dates back at least two years now, with nary a mention of unrealistic expectations or retailers wanting golfers replacing clubs biannually or, heaven forbid, suggesting some of the products weren't good or the strategies behind them examples of poor decision-making.

Here were Lindsey Rupp and Lauren Coleman-Lochner in May, 2014:

Once the go-to activity for corporate bonding, the sport is suffering from an exodus of players, a lack of interest among millennials and the mass closure of courses. The tangled personal life of Tiger Woods, who for years was golf’s biggest ambassador, also hasn’t helped. All that has taken a toll on the companies that make and sell golf equipment, including Dick’s Sporting Goods Inc. and Callaway Golf Co.

Both Dick's and Callaway have rebounded. Does anyone know of a golfer giving up the game because they found out Tiger liked going to Perkins?

Here's another example not just of the extreme language, but also the complete disregard for the business side of the golf business decline story.

Bloomberg's Stephanie Hoi-Nga Wong wrote on August 5th, 2016 after Nike said it was getting out of golf:

Millennials, the key to the sport’s future,

the key!

are shunning the expensive and time-consuming game in favor of more instantly gratifying pursuits like Pokemon Go and Netflix binges. That’s bad news for companies like Nike and Adidas AG, which said in May that it was starting talks with potential buyers for the bulk of its golf unit, TaylorMade, which generates about $1 billion in annual sales.

No one is going to deny that golf is facing a slowdown and issues with a generation consumed by pastimes that require less time and effort. But it's incredibly discouraging to read the respected publications charged with covering business lazily falling back on an easy blame game that ignores some very basic concepts and facts.

As Allan Freeman at Northeast Ohio Golfer best summed up in this response to the Golfsmith coverage:

Here’s another idea on the ‘why’: if big box retailers carrying inventory worth multiple millions of dollars at each location hadn’t expanded to multiple stores in many cities that could never support it — and if the club manufacturers hadn’t pushed those retailers into making multiple new product introductions every six weeks — then maybe those big box golf retailers wouldn’t be looking for bankruptcy protection now.

Perhaps a better business model would be far smaller golf stores with far less carried inventory offering primarily custom-fit golf clubs and related products…

The Bloomberg coverage is particularly disappointing given the namesake's love for the game and quality of their coverage. But the namesake also laid off the regular golf business writer in last year's cost cutting. Maybe golfers not buying new drivers every 9 months are to blame for Bloomberg's lean times too?


"Proposal suggests revamped Yale golf course"

Daniela Brighenti reports that Yale University and the city of New Haven have a proposal before them by Yale grad Roland Betts to transform the Country Club of Woodbridge and restore the Yale University course.

As you can see from Ran Morrissett's 2008 profile of Yale, the CB Macdonald, Seth Raynor design could be one of the world's great courses with a full restoration.

The plan would also include a partnership with the University in which Redan would restore and operate the Course at Yale as well as construct a lodging facility of approximately 80 rooms on its nearby land. According to the proposal, hotel operations would be provided by The Study in New Haven.

“The Redan Reserve concept is an intriguing one that is of significant interest to our Board of Selectmen and many of our residents,” Woodbridge First Selectman Ellen Scalettar said. “[Woodbridge] awaits news from Redan Reserve regarding Yale’s interest — and the city of New Haven’s interest — in the Redan Reserve project.”

According to Redan’s proposal, which is expected to cost $3.5 million, the restoration of the Course at Yale would be “faithful” to its original, historic design, while the revamped course in Woodbridge would be “entirely modern and unique.” Both courses would be open to the general public and built with the explicit intention of being ranked among the top 100 courses in the world, according to the proposal for the course.


Meanwhile In Irish Ryder Cup Drama Rekindled, McGinley & Clarke Won't Be Exchanging Lineup Thoughts Anytime Soon

Not surprisingly, one of the brighter minds in golf was on Feherty this week and it was the engaging, easy going chat you'd expect for two big personalities who've known each other a long time.

David Feherty asked 2014 Ryder Cup captain Paul McGinley what he and Darren Clarke fell out over, and McGinley still isn't sure.

Samuel Ryder would be so happy to see how his little gold cup brings people together!


Brandel, Frank And Nick Cast Their Ryder Cup Votes

The Golf Channel trio spoke on a conference call about the upcoming final Team USA pick and pondered the Bubba Watson situation. With each day to consider the options, this is shaping up to be an controversial omission given his world ranking and patriotic goodwill, as I noted on Golf Central.

Mark Lamport-Stokes reports that Faldo would still give the edge to Watson, while Brandel and Frank are on the Ryan Moore bandwagon.

"Ryan Moore? Wow, that man can putt. The Ryder Cup, as we know ... you've got to keep knocking in those four, eight, 10-footers or whatever."

For fellow Golf Channel analyst Brandel Chamblee, Watson's biggest vulnerability is his putting.

"Statistically, Bubba would be the worst putter on the team," said Chamblee. "He's almost the worst putter on the PGA Tour. I couldn't imagine making that pick.

"I would go more with a Ryan Moore, who's got a wonderful history in match play. Or I would look towards youth and power and form in a Daniel Berger.

"I really wouldn't be looking anywhere else besides those two players unless something pretty surprising happened at the Tour Championship."


Forward Press: Evian And Red Bull!

Nice of the PGA Tour to step aside to give the spotlight to some events with nice storylines.

The Evian is now a major and for once, the LPGA Tour should get the full spotlight.

The Champions head to Pebble Beach and tee up with First Tee golfers.

The guys land in Boise at a longtime stop with some interesting names in their playoff chase which, unlike the FedExCup, has real meaning to those there.

The Italian Open will give us a chance to scout a bunch of Ryder Cuppers.
And if you just want to do some good old YouTube deep diving, Red Bull and Hank Haney are showing hipsters how to hit it longer. Check out some of the production values. That Red Bull is working some magic!

All of this and your TV Times in the Forward Press.


Undercover Pros: What Ryder Cup Players, Caddies And Coaches Really Think Of Each Other

I finally set aside some time for the catty backstabbing and other brutal assessments of Ryder Cuppers by those involved in the matches.

If you were an alien who just landed and knew nothing about Ryder Cup participants, you'd think after reading this that no one will break 80 in the matches.

Still, it's entertaining reading even if you come away thinking no one can putt, chip or do much of anything under pressure. You'll also find out who has the wedge yips...apparently just about everyone but Mickelson and Spieth.

John Huggan and Dave Shedloski got the folks to talk from both sides of the Atlantic for the September Golf Digest.

A sampler:

"If there is a worse lag putter in the game," said one, "I've yet to see him." Another player is known for this: "He enjoys pissing the other team off." Dealing with another opponent's gamesmanship? "You have to give it right back to him or ignore him. And if you do give it back to him, it can affect him."

The individual assessments will be of most interest if you haven't already read it between the print pages. Considering Bubba Watson has not made the first cut despite just missing the team on points, the assessment of his game and attitude seems especially pertinent.

EUROPEAN TAKES: "His head is his weakness. He talks a lot about 'energy levels.' He has to feel energized to perform. And because of his personality, he finds that difficult to do. In a Ryder Cup, where you play multiple matches in a short period and there's a lot of pressure, you can see him getting mentally fatigued quite quickly. And so his performance level drops off." ... "His driving is long but wild. So there is always the potential for him to hand a hole to his opponent. He can go out and beat you, 5 and 4, but you could do the same to him. I wonder how much fight he has in him when he's 2 down after five. Is he coming back? Probably not. He'll more than likely fold up." ... "He's easily upset, too. The crowd can get to him. He doesn't like being touched. So he has so much vulnerability."

So keep your hands to yourself. We can work with that!

AMERICAN TAKE: "If he's into it, if he loves the golf course, he isn't easy to beat, but the question is, can you get him into it? Attitude is everything with Bubba, because he has all the shots. If I'm Europe, I'm pointing out all the trouble at Hazeltine and letting Bubba chew on that."

I suppose Bubba could make a scouting trip to Hazeltine this week and declare his love for it, and really cause Captain Love a headache!


"Hitting a golf ball out of mid-air is easy compared to clinching your first tour card and fulfilling a childhood dream."

The story of Wesley and George Bryan has always looked a little different than the prototypical struggling golf pro tale, but I had no idea their trajectories to this point, which include Wesley earning his card with three wins in just thirteen starts this year on the Tour.

Sean Martin files a long form look at their rise in golf (with videos and pictures), a rise mostly attributable to the good fortune of dad George III's golf academy. Anyone who is aspiring to play the game professionally or who is an instructor/mentor to young players will be inspired reading this story.

Martin writes:

The Bryans didn’t stumble across a golf club one day and wonder how they could use this foreign implement to achieve Internet fame. They’ve been on a golf course since they started following their father to work as toddlers.

Their upbringing contributed to their success on the course and on social media.

Their father, George III, is a golf instructor who turned the family’s backyard into a golf academy. Growing up with uninhibited access to a practice facility allowed them to exercise their creativity. They had daily competitions, challenging each other with any shot their minds could conjure. The brothers’ energetic, extroverted nature, which they inherited from George III, made them natural-born entertainers.

“I would never be shocked if you said the Bryan brothers wouldn’t take the road most traveled,” says Bill McDonald, their coach at the University of South Carolina. “They’ve always sort of done it their own way.”

I've always been partial to their indoor trick shot work, filed almost a year ago.


Video: Badger Makes Ace That Looks Fake But Definitely Is Not

Wisconsin's Eddie Wajda aced the 8th hole Tuesday during the Badger Invitational and nothing against the Big Ten Net coverage, but it looks entirely fake due to the hang time and the slam dunk nature of the ace.

H/T to Alex Myers for spotting:


NY Post: Dick's Sporting Goods Eyeing Bankrupt Golfsmith?

Thanks to the great Lou Brown for this Josh Kosman NY Post story suggesting that Golfsmith's bankruptcy filing has hit a snag and may lead to a completely collapse of the retailer, with Dick's Sporting Goods eyeing a takeover.

Kosman writes:

Private equity investor Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System owns Golfsmith and shanked the 2012 investment by acquiring it in a $97 million leveraged buyout, which put the company in deep debt at the same time interest in golf waned.

OMERS combined Canada golf retailer Golf Town with Golfsmith, and now the company’s stores are almost evenly split between US and Canada.

“There’s just too much debt,” a source said, adding that the company would be profitable if it did not have interest payments on roughly $200 million in loans.


NFL Strikes! BMW Third Round Outrates Final Day Coverage

As NFL numbers hit 7-year lows on the first weekend, the PGA Tour's recent run of down ratings continued the cord-cutting era trend, only in more spectacular fashion.

Sports Media Watch reports that the BMW Championship at Crooked Stick drew a 1.2 final round. Without NFL competition and a weak slate of college football games, the third round actually out-drew the last day (1.3/1.9 million viewers). SMW looks back to 2012 for comparisons after last year's was a rain-delayed event. There was also this for the BMW...

Sunday’s 1.2 rating is tied as the second-lowest for final round coverage of the tournament since the FedEx Cup began in 2007.

Playoff fever! Opt-out time! Ca--chingnotsomuch.

The numbers are fascinating since conventional wisdom would suggest this could be the worst possible time for the PGA Tour to opt out of its network deal, presumably in search of more money thanks to additional bidders (ABC? FOX?).

However, that seems unlikely given that the sports rights bubble has burst. Although the numbers could set up an opt-out discussion that allows the next Commissioner to reimagine the playoff schedule timing. Maybe one that ends on Labor Day? Dan Hicks touched on this possibility on ShackHouse this week.

I still contend that trying to jam the playoffs into the post-PGA Championship, pre-NFL window will not work and that a fall finish to the season, with a restart in January gets the playoffs away from football when people are most excited about it, while also giving people a chance to catch their breath after a busy summer schedule.


Nike Giving $10 Million A Year To Clothe Jason Day?!

Darren Rovell at reveals Jason Day's clothing deal with Nike and the annual payment, if correct, is staggering given the supposed state of the game, Day's propensity to get injured and lack of name recognition compared to Tiger Woods.

Rovell writes:

Terms of the deal were not disclosed, but one source said the No. 1 golfer in the world will get paid north of $10 million a year. Day's agent Bud Martin of Wasserman did not return a call seeking comment.

Day might not be in the same marketing category as Tiger Woods or Rory McIlroy, but Nike can sell plenty of golf shirts by using Day as a model. Day is the model of consistency that Woods nor McIlroy have been. Not only did he win last year's PGA Championship, but he has finished in the top 10 in six of the past eight majors.


Video: Steph Curry On Golf Course Trash Talk By Obama

Steph Curry appears on the September 13th episode of the Ellen Degeneres Show, discusses golf course trash talking by the president, and is egged on in entertaining fashion by first lady Michelle Obama to push back.

The whole exchange is fun, including Ellen asking about handicaps.

The full clip:


ShackHouse 20: Ryder Cup, Tiger & Guest Dan Hicks

Ryder Cup fever continues on ShackHouse. Last week we had a lively chat with former PGA President Ted Bishop that is worth checking out. This week we talk with Dan Hicks of NBC Sports, anchor of the network's golf coverage since 2000.

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