No Win: Setting Up A Ryder Cup Course

Cara Robinson and I summed up the Justin Rose/course setup comments on Morning Drive today if you want the quick version.

However, the subject is worth delving into on multiple fronts:

A) how setup effects matches

B) the entertainment side

C) how hole locations are used to thwart distance

We knew from 2012 post-mortems that Team USA lamented a 17th hole pin placement that favored Europe. So this time around the task force Task Force "Task Force" 2016 Ryder Cup winning-TASK FORCE set parameters (low rough, fast greens) and left the rest to the PGA of America's Kerry Haigh.

While Hazeltine is strategically no Old Course, it was shocking Sunday to see almost no interesting hole locations. Nearly were all centered and whatever angles of importance there are at Hazeltine were rendered useless.

Rees Jones' par-3 17th features a strange, clumsily-constructed green complex with almost no character, only a few intriguing hole locations and zero interest if it were not set by a lake. Yet, somehow Sunday, the hole location induced zero risk-reward element in flirting with the water.

Justin Rose summed all of this up in his post-round comments:

Setup-wise, this course can be as tough as you want it to be, there's no doubt about it. I think today, I think if we were all to be honest about it, I thought the setup was incredibly weak. I thought it was very much a Pro-Am feel in terms of the pin placements. They were all middle of the green.

I don't quite understand that to be honest with you, world-class players, 12 world-class players here and 12 world-class players here in 30 minutes time, and we want to showcase our skills. We want to be tested. For example, the water holes out there, all the pins were as far away from the water as possible.

I mean, the pin on 17 is an absolute, you know, a joke. It's a 9-iron into the middle of the green and you stiff it. So with a match on the line, you kind of feel like you want to have something -- you want a player to step up a little bit more than they have to.

Even 18, if you hit a good drive down there, you've got a wedge into the green, and if you hit a wedge to the middle of the green, you're within 12-foot of the pin. So I just felt coming down the stretch, it was a little soft.

Some saw this as sour grapes, but Rose seemed to be speaking as a veteran of match play who understands what kind of dynamics might be introduced when the course is a third element.

Rory McIlroy is quoted by GolfDigest.com's Brian Wacker as lamenting the hole locations when combined with this week's low rough, but McIlroy also ultimately chalks up the situation to home field advantage.

“Bad tee shots weren’t getting punished as much as maybe they should have been."

Rickie Fowler, who beat Rose Sunday, defended the setup when asked.

Q. In the European presser a few minutes ago, Justin Rose said that he -- he was very critical of the setup. He said it was weak and considered it to be similar to a Pro-Am. Your thoughts on that? Did you sense that from him? What were your thoughts on the setup?

PHIL MICKELSON: (Laughing).

RICKIE FOWLER: The setup was, I don't think it was easy by any means. Him and I didn't play as well as we would have liked to. We didn't make many birdies on both sides. I felt like it was an even match between the two of us. Obviously, as you could see, no one was ever more than 1-up.

It was easier for some; this guy next to me (turning to Phil) he made a few birdies. He's been playing well all week. I wouldn't say that the setup was easy, by any means.

I thought that the PGA did well all week, Kerry Haigh and the staff. Depending on whether it be a foursomes or a fourball match and then into singles, they did a good job preparing the golf course, getting it in the right condition and with where the hole locations were.

Obviously when it comes down to singles, it's fair. Everyone's playing the same ones. So I thought it was a good setup today and it worked out just fine for us.

And there is the Ryder Cup course setup conundrum. Whether it's the Golf Gods, karma or just simple overanalysis, getting cute with setup can be unproductive. Try to do too much--the USA has tried the high-rough, narrow fairway approach too--it backfires.

Erring on the side of too little means taking the setup role and some strategy out of the equation, which seems like a better way to go than trying to be clever.

On the entertainment front, players were allowed to make a ton of birdies, exciting for fans and interesting to watch on TV. This is, after all, an exhibition. We were entertained.  And unlike in a penal setup, players were winning holes through their play and rarely by the mistakes of their opponent. Easier and more shallow it may be, but also more rewarding to watch.

Finally, and this is in no way to detract from the 63s that Sergio and Phil would have posted in their 19-birdie battle Sunday, but we got to see with a round of golf featuring a bunch of "pro-am" pins on immaculate greens, today's players can render a course harmless. It was a reminder of just how much tucked hole locations are used not to offset distance gains.

So the Ryder Cup proved entertaining because we got to see what today's players could do on a once-massively difficult course without facing pin placements designed to prevent birdies.

Made America Great Again: Team USA Wins The 41st Ryder Cup

My quick take before writing up some thoughts on the epic Phil-Sergio match I was privileged to watch from beginning to end:

--Team USA pulled more correct strings and used its depth to ultimately prevail handily.

--Darren Clarke's strong views on experience backfired with the performances of Lee Westwood and Martin Kaymer.

--Hazeltine National works very well as a Ryder Cup venue because it lent enough interest to the action and thanks to the amazing conditioning by Chris Tritabaugh's team, never in any way negatively impacted the matches. Kerry Haigh's ultra-safe Sunday holes looked more like a pro-am setup, but were probably almost too bland. Better to err that way than the other way around.

--The Task Force. Our American heroes!

2016 Ryder Cup Singles Sunday, This And That

The day has arrived and while Team USA's chances look promising for an early win, I think most of us selfishly would love to see this one draw out as long as possible. The players and their team squads have given us all we can ask for from an entertainment perspective, now we just need the fans to only be a story because they are just that loud, and all will be well.

The PGA of America issued this statement at 10:30 am local time regarding the fans:

STATEMENT BY PGA OF AMERICA

This week we’ve seen some of the largest and most exciting Ryder Cup crowds ever.
Minnesota is home to some of the best sports fans in the country and we are so grateful for their enthusiastic support and warm hospitality.
 
Rooted in the ideals of sportsmanship and international goodwill, the Ryder Cup is about having a spirited passion for not only the victory, but for the game of golf.  
 
We are encouraging all spectators on Sunday to be passionate and support their team in a way that is respectful to those around them, the players, and the Ryder Cup.  Our security staff will continue to enforce a zero tolerance policy, removing from the course any fans who are disruptive in any way, including the use of vulgar or profane language directed at the players.
 
We look forward to a strong finish today that reflects the spirit of the Ryder Cup and provides a positive experience for all.

Alex Myers with the sign posting for fans to back up the statement.

Kevin Casey with a roundup of the lowlights from Sergio and Rory.

Bob Harig at ESPN.com is puzzled by the Rory McIlroy vitriol by fans.

Captain Mickelson clutched up Friday and he sure does sounding like he's calling shots, Brian Wacker notes.

Karen Crouse says Thomas Pieters joins the likes of Nicolas Colsaerts, Philip Walton, Phillip Price and Ignacio Garrido in wreaking Ryder Cup havoc, and the Belgian also joins the tradition of another European connecting "effortlessly" with his teammates.

Jaime Diaz sees the Europeans as looking a bit like the San Antonio Spurs.

A recent case was last season’s San Antonio Spurs, so long anchored by Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobli and Tony Parker, getting run out the gym in the NBA playoffs by a younger, faster and ultimately better Oklahoma Thunder team, as the venerable Greg Popovich let the beat down play out as if bound by sacred ritual.

The matchups, which as I noted, Davis Love has had much experience with in situations like we see today.


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Captain's Pick Report (Don't Look, Russell Knox)

Of course the Captain's don't hit any of the shots and we have another day to go, but...

Davis Love's captain's picks through two days of the Ryder Cup, with Sunday singles remaining:


Rickie Fowler 1-1
Matt Kuchar 2-1
J.B. Holmes 1-1
Ryan Moore 1-1


Darren Clarke's picks:

Lee Westwood 0-2
Martin Kaymer 0-3
Thomas Pieters 3-1


Do recall that Thomas Pieters was the third choice.

Will A Few Fans Ruin The 2016 Ryder Cup Outcome?

It was a glorious Saturday of Ryder Cup golf. All of the usual ingredients were in action to produce a day of drama unlike anything else in the sport. But the looming sense of an impending debacle can't be ignored.

There is nothing wrong with rooting and cheering after a ball has been struck. Hope for your team. Hope for America!

But then there is what we've seen all too often at Hazeltine during the 2016 Ryder Cup: fans gradually interfering with the competition by (A) making noise or comments as a player is preparing to play, or (B) resorting to vile language and heckling. An example:

 

There were ejections Saturday according to NBC's Dan Hicks, but the mostly-nice people of Minnesota are in danger of having their Ryder Cup tainted by an incident that impacts the matches. The American players and their entourages, who have put themselves in position to win, could have the outcome tainted if the situation is not reigned in.

Cutting off alcohol sales by noon tomorrow would help. The PGA of America undoubtedly has weighed the risk-reward elements, and plans to go for the green no matter how discouraging the signs.

A few Tweets from Sunday, including this from Christine Brennan who filed this story with Martin Rogers about the Rory McIlroy incident. 

A video of the incident as well.

2016 Ryder Cup Saturday Four-Ball: Captain's Fantastic!

Let the second guessing begin!

As I note for GolfDigest.com, the captain's made some bold calls in the morning that didn't hurt Europe. But the afternoon is another story: Clarke wheeling out Kaymer and Westwood despite little sign Friday that they were playing well, meaning a benching of Sergio's new pal, Rafa Cabrera Bello.

The real shocker came on the USA side as Captain Davis Love sends out the struggling Phil Mickelson with Matt Kuchar over the red-hot Brandt Snedeker. It also means breaking up the Koepka-Snedeker pairing that has delivered two points so far.

The real fun should be with the long-bombing first group featuring all +300 yard drivers in McIlroy, Pieters, Johnson and Koepka.

2016 Ryder Cup Saturday Morning Foursomes This & That

Both captain's have much on the line Saturday morning after each has made bold (questionable?) lineup decisions. Davis Love has sat Dustin Johnson in favor of the Mickelson-Fowler pairing, a surprise given Mickelson's wayward ball-striking Friday. The U.S. takes a 5-3 lead into the day, one that left Davis Love sounding somewhat pleased, writes Brian Wacker for GolfDigest.com.

Playing Mickelson in foursomes seems to be something planned in advance no matter the state of someone's ball striking. A couple of stories on Phil Mickelson reaffirm his leadership role, to the point that wife Amy is wishing someone else would assert themselves following Phil's Hal Sutton comments earlier this week.  Alan Shipnuck writing at golf.com on Phil:

“He felt awful, and he called Hal so many times he was like an ex-girlfriend,” says Mickelson’s wife, Amy. She has been through endless controversies with her college sweetheart, but the scrutiny ever since the Watson confrontation has been at a fever pitch. “It’s exhausting,” Amy says. “I would love to get off this rollercoaster. As much as I appreciate that Phil has been looking out for the other guys, can’t just one time someone else step up and say what needs to be said?”

Karen Crouse in the New York Times also considered the Mickelson influence.

In one of his daily news conferences this week, Love mentioned Mickelson by name 15 times, and that did not count his response to a direct question about Mickelson. Love said that he had been addressing the United States contingent on Tuesday night when he had noticed that Mickelson was leaning forward in his seat, eager to say something. So Love ceded the floor to him.

“Nobody has seen more team golf on our team than him,” said Love, who described Mickelson as “kind of the backbone of the team.”

As I note for GolfDigest.com, Darren Clarke's lineup offers an even bigger roll of the dice in breaking up Rose-Stenson to get two rookies into the action (Chris Wood and Matthew Fitzpatrick). John Huggan writes that Clarke was breathing easier after a successful Friday afternoon got Europe back in the matches. Still...

Clarke has a leaderingship/veteran issue as well: to play Lee Westwood, who is struggling and took himself off the lineup card Friday afternoon. Christopher Clarey of the New York Times profiled their longtime friendship for the New York Times, which could be tested this afternoon if Europe needs to keep their stalwart Ryder Cupper on the bench.

Danny Willett played Friday afternoon and heard it from the fans. Big time. Randall Mell writes

Rory McIlroy's walk-off eagle and reaction was the standout moment from Day 1 at Hazeltine. Alex Myers with the details and video.

Kevin Van Falkenburg at ESPN.com makes a strong case that the heckling is only helping Rory.

American fans needled him, yelling for his ball to "get in the water" every time he took on a hazard, and he responded with fist pumps and icy glares toward the gallery that would have made Seve Ballesteros giddy.

American fans needled him, yelling for his ball to "get in the water" every time he took on a hazard, and he responded with fist pumps and icy glares toward the gallery that would have made Seve Ballesteros giddy.

Rory also said he would apologize to caddie Austin Johnson for a perceived slight following the completion of his four-ball win with Thomas Pieters. (Dave Shedloski with more on Pieters and his great Friday play here.) 

 


 

The oversight...

 

 

 

2016 Ryder Cup Four-ball Day One This And That

I've just returned from some of the early four-ball play between the great Tom Watson vision known as Reed-Spieth and they will be in an epic fight with Rose-Stenson. The weather is beautiful, the crowds huge (though shockingly tough on the Europeans) and the pairings decent enough. Only Europe's Matt Fitzpatrick and Chris Wood didn't get on the course today.

Here they are with a few comments, including a note about Westwood and Mickelson likely taking themselves out of afternoon play based on the morning (despite what the captains say). Mickelson told Golf Channel that it would have been a cop out had he not played Friday morning.

12:30 p.m.: Jordan Spieth/Patrick Reed (USA) vs. Justin Rose/Henrik Stenson (Europe)

12:45 p.m.: J.B. Holmes/Ryan Moore (USA) vs. Sergio Garcia/Rafa Cabrera-Bello (Europe)

1:00 p.m.: Brandt Snedeker/Brooks Koepka (USA) vs. Martin Kaymer/Danny Willett (Europe)

1:15 p.m.: Dustin Johnson/Matt Kuchar (USA) vs. Rory McIlroy/Thomas Pieters (Europe)

Fowler earns his first Ryder Cup point, with Mickelson assist, sort of. Alex Myers reports.

Jim McCabe on the dominating foursomes win by Jimmy Walker and Zach Johnson.

Myers with some of the best things said by fans at the first tee.

The Palmer bag from 1975 on the first tee. What a cool touch.

 

 

Sergio getting cocky after making a putt.

 


The Arnold Palmer tribute video from yesterday's opening ceremony.

 

2016 Ryder Cup Morning Foursomes This And That

The bickering and bloat is a thing of the past. Let's play some golf!

The first morning foursomes pairings still have folks scratching their heads, particularly the Mickelson/Fowler group. The force better be with the Task Force, writes Ryan Lavner.

Hecklers may be comforted that one of their own enjoyed an epic moment Thursday. Danny Willett won't have to worry either way, he's on the bench Thursday morning. John Huggan with his story heading into day one.

Jaime Diaz has your Ryder Cup facts and figures, plus TV times.

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2016 Ryder Cup Opening Session Oddities Galore

Well, four to be exact, according to Alex Myers.

I totally concur with all four of the key questions he has about Davis Love and Darren Clarke's opening session pairings in the 2016 Ryder Cup.

After the ceremony and out at dinner, most werein consensus that the Mickelson foursome's pairing with Rickie Fowler was strange, but that he ommission of Ryan Moore was even more bizarre.

Phil Apologizes To Hal Over Ballgate, Hopes Hal Feels Welcome

According to a fresh report from G.C. Digital, Phil Mickelson has told Golf Channel and Golf World reporter Tim Rosaforte that he was in the wrong by singling out decisions made during Hal Sutton's captaincy.

Mickelson acknowledged that the comments came off wrong.

“I’ve communicated with him,” Mickelson told Rosaforte. “I feel awful. It was never meant to be like that. I was trying to use an example of how a captain can have a strong effect. Unfortunately, it came across the way it did.”

Sutton and other past captains have been invited to hang out in the team room and at Hazeltine as a display of unity.

“I was totally in the wrong,” Mickelson said. “I never should have brought that up. I used an extreme example the way decisions can affect play, and I never should have done that because it affected Hal.”

Rosaforte's report on Live From, where he also explains that Mickelson hopes Sutton will still feel welcome to visit the team room, where past captain's have been encouraged to hang out in hopes of creating an "inclusive family feel."

Sutton reportedly left town but is scheduled to appear in a captain's exhibition match with Ben Crenshaw at midday.

The full Rosaforte report:

Randall Mell looked at the episode before Mickelson's apology and explained the whole mess very well. This explanation from Captain Davis Love doesn't add up though, as Mickelson was the one who raised the 2004 matter, not the press.

American captain Davis Love III was asked in his news conference Wednesday if Mickelson’s calling out Sutton again was appropriate. Love indicated Mickelson is in some ways playing defense.

“Unfortunately, some analysts just keep bringing it up over and over and over again, things that have happened in the past,” Love said. “Sometimes, you have to set the record straight.”

If you have the time, Dave Anderson's New York Times account of the 2004 ball episode is worth a read. Perhaps some of the lingering bitterness stems from Sutton making Mickelson adapt to Tiger's equipment...

Should Mickelson be teamed with Woods in the afternoon alternate-shot match today and perhaps again tomorrow, he will be using a rare mixture: Callaway woods, Titleist irons and putter, and a Nike ball. But why Tiger's ball?

"I personally felt that it would be very difficult to tell a guy that was 257 times or whatever the leading player in the world," Sutton said, alluding to Woods. "And you're going to ask him to switch balls. I didn't want to put Tiger in that position, so I just said, 'You need to know how to hit this ball right here."'

ShackHouse 21: The Ryder Cup, Bill Simmons, And Dave Shedloski On Arnold Palmer's Passing

An incredible time in golf and hopefully we did it justice on this week's ShackHouse.

The Ryder Cup is our primary focus, with Bill Simmons (@billsimmons) joining to express grave concerns for Tiger Woods not even being worthy of a selection. We try to reassure him.

Also joining us to discuss the passing of Arnold Palmer is Golf World and Golf Digest contributor Dave Shedloski (@golfershed) who has been assisting Mr. Palmer on a book of stories and memories--A Life Well Played--that St. Martin's Press has expedited for an October 11th publication date.

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