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Adam Van Brimmer of the Morris News Service reports on a USGA release apparently handed out at the Masters.

The USGA recently released a list of eight myths about golf equipment and performance. The scientific findings, at the least, cast doubt on whether something significant should be done to rein in the equipment advances many say are changing the way the game is played.

"We thought that people who are avid golfers would be interested in actual facts and measurements with respect to the performance of golfers in today's world with new technology," said Walter Driver, USGA's president and an Augusta National member. "We want to give people access to some of the facts and dispel some of the myths that develop around every golf era, and new golf technology in particular."

Note that Walter Driver was available for a quote on this document. The myths are not available on the USGA website. Here they are, according to the USGA:

MYTH 1: Golfers with faster swing speeds hit today's advanced golf balls farther than they did balls introduced before 2000.
MYTH 2: Golf-ball distance is not currently limited.
MYTH 3:Driving distance on the PGA Tour is rapidly increasing.
MYTH 4: The long hitters on the PGA Tour finish higher on the money list.
MYTH 5:Most PGA Tour players swing at 120 mph or more.
MYTH 6:The USGA ball test doesn't control ball distance well enough because pros' swings are different than the test method.
MYTH 7:The average distance for 5-irons on tour is more than 200 yards.
MYTH 8:You get more distance by putting topspin on a drive.

Van Brimmer offers these rebuttal points:

- Though the golf-ball distance is limited, the USGA's overall distance standard limit made a quantum leap from 296.8 yards to 320 yards in 2003 to account for advances in club technology. The swing speed used in the test increased from 109 mph to 120 mph to reflect these changes.

- Though driving distance has flattened out in recent years, as the USGA statistics show, it certainly grew unabated throughout the 1990s and earlier this decade. For example, 29-year-old John Daly led the PGA Tour in driving distance in 1995 with a 289-yard average. Seven years later, an older and heavier Daly led the tour at 306 yards off the tee - a whopping 17-yard increase.

- While fewer long hitters reign on the money list, most of the top players average 300 yards or better. Half of 2005's top 10 money winners, including the top 3 of Tiger Woods, Vijay Singh and Phil Mickelson, crush the ball.

Top players rely more on length now than two decades ago. In 1985, none of the top 10 money leaders ranked among the top 10 in driving distance. In 1984, only three did.

The lengthening of Augusta National and other courses is an architect's way of keeping up. Augusta has added nearly 500 yards since 2002, about the same time the increase in driving distance leveled off.

Now, contrast this with the two speeches USGA's Jim Vernon has given (Annual Meeting and Arizona).

Talk about sending mixed messages.

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Listening to the Masters telecast, it appears everyone at CBS got Walt's memo.
04.9.2006 | Unregistered CommenterNed Ludd
To rebut Mr Van Brimmer's first rebuttal, a proportional increase in distance when the speed increased from 109 to 120 would have allowed balls to go 326.75 yards, not the 320 that is allowed. The USGA actually shortened the maximum allowable distance by over 2%.
04.9.2006 | Unregistered CommenterJohnV
USGA, Usually Something Goofy Again. How many talking heads do they have that didn't get the memo? It's very difficult to get at the truth when so many conflicts of interest keep spewing out propaganda. Maybe some of the manufacturers are paying for the USGA's Net-Jet service each year?

MYTH 1: Golfers with faster swing speeds hit today's advanced golf balls farther than they did balls introduced before 2000.

Walter, have a cup of coffee and wake up. Here's something to help your recollections.

http://www.popeofslope.com/handicapping/index.html

"Simply stated, the less energy lost at impact, the faster the ball comes off the club face and the greater distance it will travel."

Golf Balls Walter, that have a minimum of compression, and where they don't compress like balls before 2000, is the same as reducing the energy that would be lost on contact. Increasing the compression to around 125 instead of 90 and 100 has increased the ball speed coming off of these trampolines like a speeding bullet. When the ball had some compression to it, there was an energy loss on contact that could be witnessed, and the ball came off slower, this is what created some parity in the sport where Jack Nicklaus still had a 15 to 20 yard advantage, but where today's balls have created a 27 yard advantage over average length players and where the Bombers Today are enjoying a 4 to 5 club advantage over average length players in hitting greens in regulation.

Thanks to Jack for pointing out that he only had a 15 to 20 yard advantage back in the days that he dominated. Lets look at what Jack is so concerned about, and has players talking about a class action lawsuit.

2002 Tiger Woods
Driving Distance 293.3 6th

2003 The Brand New Pro V 1 X

2003 Scott McCarron
Driving Distance 294.6 31st

2004 Phil Mickelson
Driving Distance 295.4 30th


More than 24 players went past Tigers 2002 average. Here is what the spectrums look like over the years.

1980>>>>>>>>>>78th>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Last

274.....16yrds....258.......20yrds.......238

36 yards between 1st and Last



1995>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>78th>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Last

289.........23yrds........265......19yrds.....246

42 yards between 1st and Last



2005>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>78th>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Last

318..............27yrds........291........33yrds...258

60 yards, between 1st and Last.

In 1980 78th had a great chance at winning always. Larry Mize and Nick Faldo win Green Coats in the late 80’s averaging drives in the 250’s. In 1995 you had to be good with your irons. In 2005, if your 78th in distance, you better be a phenomenal putter, and you can't miss many fairways. That's like walking a tight rope. Today the last 4th of the spectrum on the PGA Tour is playing to retain a tour card, unlike the other two spectrums.

Geoff, the manufacturers, and others posting on your blog, that continually spew out "facts" that the distance boom has been enjoyed across the entire spectrum is complete bogus. What it’s done is it’s created a larger spectrum. When Jack Nicklaus was 15 to 20 yards ahead of the average drivers of his day, he was only enjoying a 2 to 3 club advantage in hitting greens in regulation, which he deserved. Today, with the disparity of 27 yards being witnessed between the Bombers who are getting that extra yardage by bouncing the clubface, average length drivers find themselves at a 4 to 5 club disadvantage into the greens.

The old balls provided an advantage to long hitters like Jack Nicklaus, but also allowed guys across the spectrum to still compete with decent odds. The sport during this period was not completely dependent on one club in the bag, and most importantly, all the clubs in the bag were needed to define greatness.

Fred Funk has said that the golf balls of 01-02 were fine, but the next generations of golf balls were a joke. He is right. Besides, golf courses across the country don't have the millions or sometimes the available land that it takes to make golf courses longer, so that bombers would have this advantage multiplied yet again.

All of this can be traced directly to each time a bigger headed driver came out on Tour or a harder core golf ball came out on Tour. Another indicator is not only tracking Tiger's, Phil's, and Vijay's distance over the years but also to track David Duval's and Davis Love III's driving distance gains over the years. It is all related directly to equipment.



"In golf, there are mortal sins and venial sins," said David Fay, the USGA's executive director. "And having a nonconforming club is a mortal sin." Club pros' dilemma

There are nearly 30 clubs deemed as nonconforming by the USGA. But the one that has garnered the most attention is the ERC II, the latest in a line of oversized titanium drivers whose lineage can be traced to the Big Bertha. Despite the USGA's ban, it is being marketed in the United States and sold at most off-course golf stores. What's more, people are buying the club, despite its hefty price tag.

The difference in opinion between the governing bodies is because the USGA developed a test that measures how fast the ball is traveling. After two attempts, Fay said, the Scotland-based Royal & Ancient did not. "They believed, as we did, that additional yardage through equipment is not good for the game," Fay said of the Royal & Ancient's failed testing efforts.

Callaway was incensed when the USGA passed judgment on his club, questioning whether it's of any benefit to the average golfer. That's what Walter Driver, the USGA's chairman of the Implements and Ball Committee, did in an article in the Feb. 21 edition of the Chicago Sun-Times, saying "the average player gets very little benefit from clubs with nonconforming [spring-like effects] .... They simply can't swing fast enough."

Walter, if average swing speeds could not gain any benefits from spring like effects why would the USGA rescind its original position on spring like effects being built into club faces? Creating rules that benefit a handful of individuals who can generate enough club head speed to gain the effects from springs being built into the clubface is out of bounds. Rescinding the rules of golf for a minority of players is not consistent with the Etiquette that the sport is founded on. Are you aware of this?

“The game relies on the integrity of the individual to show consideration for other players and to abide by the “Rules”.

Walter, what good are the rules of golf in asking competitors of the sport to grant one another consideration, when in fact the USGA has done exactly the opposite in granting consideration to the “Rules” themselves? Here is what the USGA is really saying; if you swing the club X miles per hour, we are willing to exempt you an advantage, but if you don’t swing it X miles per hour, well we’re sorry about that! Walter, if you are going to allow a “Spring” into the game of golf, at what tension is the spring going to be “Set At” so that all players are considered equal??? The “Spring” effects are dependent on a number of factors, what are those factors as defined by the USGA, which takes into “consideration” every professional golfer on the PGA Tour, or any players for that matter


Hootie Johnson would really like to know what the definitions and specifications of the “Spring” are, as would players. Especially since Hootie has spent "Millions" on ANGC "Twice" in the past 5 years, and players that have honed a skill with all clubs in the bag to then see those skills traded in for a circus act that is redefining success is puzzling. Walter, what gives?


"I Love" this part!


"The USGA, in our opinion, has no business publicly evaluating a golf club, good or bad," Callaway said. "They've got a right to make the rules. Do you think they have a right to tell people what's a good golf club or not? When they say it's no advantage, they are totally wrong." Standard maker

Walter, not only did Callaway know that it was going to benefit average swing speeds, but you guys knew it as well. I can’t blame you for wanting to keep all players in the same boat, but your compromise with the manufacturers who wanted to build clubs for peoples enjoyment, has ruined the enjoyment at the professional level because the disparity spectrum has grown beyond ridiculous. The USGA has required some NASCAR Drivers to race with restrictor plates on their vehicles, while allowing a small minority of drivers to race without restrictor plates. The playing field that was once level is now skewed to a select few not required to race with a restrictor plate on his vehicle.


The USGA first became concerned with the distance the ball was traveling in 1997, after the average drive on the PGA Tour had improved by 2 yards each season, beginning in 1994. In the previous 25 years, the distance of the average drive had increased only nominally, about a foot each season. The USGA developed a test in 1998 that would measure the trampoline effect in drivers. What they came up with was a test that measured a club's coefficient of restitution -- COR -- which, effectively, means how fast a ball ricochets after it is fired into a club face at 109 miles per hour. That's the same speed used in all tests with Iron Byron, the club-testing swing machine that simulates the perfect swing of golf legend Byron Nelson.

Walter, if you were concerned back in 1997, what did the USGA do??? Nothing!


Here is the "Advantage Right Here" for high club head speeds.


"Every time two objects collide, there is a loss of energy," said John Spitzer, one of the USGA's assistant technical directors. Hypothetically, if no energy were lost in a collision between club and ball, it would have a COR of 1.0. However, Spitzer said, a 1.0 reading is an impossibility because there is always some energy loss, whether through sound or slight heating of the ball.


Thank you very much John Spitzer, you are striking today’s harder core golf balls right in the middle of the over sized trampolines (drivers) of today. Thank you!

John, when the ball has virtually no give in it anymore, would that make a .083 driver face give more? If the driver face is allowed to give more from a hard-core golf ball then the real energy is put in the clubface, that’s why I refer to it as a slingshot propelling a rock. In a slingshot all of the energy is in the elasticity of the sling, right? The further you pull the sling the more energy you put into the rock, the further the driver’s face of today is allowed to be compressed, the further these "Rocks" today are flying. These rocks today are getting the sling to be pulled even further.

Simple physics, wouldn't you agree John?


This is the exact reason why professionals have witnessed these effects on the PGA Tour that has sent drives into "Hyper Drive", it went beyond "Controlling Distance" with the situation in 2003 being witnessed, professionals were introduced to the hardest core golf balls to ever come out on the PGA Tour.

Walter, if you guys were "Really Worried About Distance" back in 1997 and 2000 what happened? How could the USGA not see this one coming? Walter, do you and others at the USGA hold stock options in manufacturers of golf equipment companies or their parent corporations?

Harder Core Golf Balls to make the Club Face Bounce even more, that's what' happened Walter. The best analogy is to think of today’s Drivers which professionals have seen grow from 195cc to 460cc as what happened to tennis once they allowed the racket head to become much larger, and allowed the length of rackets to get longer in length. The "Strings" to the tennis rackets are equivalent to today’s "Clubface in Drivers". Manufacturers can simply tune a Clubface like tennis players string their desired tension into how their rackets are strung. Walter, the problem with this scenario, golfers can't face their own drivers like tennis players can string their own rackets. Thus Walter, who do you think the manufacturers are facing today's drivers for???

The USGA and Arnold Palmer should be chastised for "The State of the Game" today. Nice trampoline effects that have ruined the "Integrity" and "Sportsmanship" that the game was always "Principled" upon. Today, almost all of the emphasis is on the trampoline effects; "Equity", what happened to you guys??? You guys have no "Scruples".


MYTH 2: Golf-ball distance is not currently limited.

Walter, when players start flying it 360 will we be seeing the limits on distance beginning to be enforced??? Where is the limit drawn???


MYTH 3:Driving distance on the PGA Tour is rapidly increasing.

Walter, go to www.pgatour.com and see it for yourself, the real jump in distance was Jan 1st 2003. You can refer back to my spectrum of disparity, and how Tiger was 6th in 2002, and that same distance was witnessed as roughly 31st the very next year. Walter when more than 24 players went past this mark, "Which Was the Mark” for a few years, is evidence that distance grew at a rapidly increasing pace is confirmed. Where Walter, starting in 1980, can you show players where distance off the tee was ever witnessed to "Spike" like it did in 2003??? Could you please show us???


MYTH 4: The long hitters on the PGA Tour finish higher on the money list.

Van Brimmer offers these rebuttal points:

Top players rely more on length now than two decades ago. In 1985, none of the top 10 money leaders ranked among the top 10 in driving distance. In 1984, only three did.

Well noted!

Though the golf-ball distance is limited, the USGA's overall distance standard limit made a quantum leap from 296.8 yards to 320 yards in 2003 to account for advances in club technology. The swing speed used in the test increased from 109 mph to 120 mph to reflect these changes.

Well noted again!

When the harder "Core Golf Balls" came out, guys like Tiger, Phil, and Vijay were cracking the clubfaces. The .083 could no longer take the extra forces of harder core golf balls making the clubface expand more. Too much expansion caused the clubfaces to crack, like bending a coat hanger back and forth too much; eventually it breaks because it can't take the heat.

Think of what happens if you put a 450 pound person on a trampoline where this person would over stretch the springs. The springs would actually not be strong enough to create their elasticity, same thing happened with the .083 Driver Faces for high swing players like Tiger. So how could manufacturers fix this problem, make the Driver Face a bit thicker, which when sprung with a tremendously hard core golf ball, we would actually see the trampoline effects working even more “effectively” for high swing speed players, thus even more energy put into the latest hard core rocks where drives today are being flown 320 yards. This would all be equivalent to putting new springs into that trampoline, which could then actually bounce a 450-pound person higher. Tighter springs for more force equals distance. What happens when a lighter person tries to bounce on such a tight spring trampoline??? They can't make the springs give, a slow swing speed that cant bounce the face like before means what? Aaaaahhhhhhhh........no give........aaaaaahhhhhhh........no bounce, right John Spitzer? At least not as "Bigg" of a "Bounce"!

It has done so by using titanium, a material stronger and more flexible than steel, yet lighter. According to Geoff Goodman, a Callaway engineer, that allows designers to take some of the weight out of the clubface and distribute it to other areas of the club head, thereby expanding the center of gravity in the face. This process is known as Variable Face Technology, or VFT, as Callaway engineers call it.

The weight of the club head -- 200 grams -- does not change. But the shape of the clubface allows it to absorb some of the shock the ball endures when struck by the club. When that happens, the ball does not compress as much as it would with a traditional face, creating more energy to spring the ball forward. Hence, greater distances with the ERC II.

Or even greater distances with a thicker faced driver on the PGA Tour being struck with a hard core golf ball to get this tighter spring (clubface) to really spring the golf ball incredibly farther.

"What we want to do is get as much of the energy in our club in the ball," Goodman said. "The design of the ERC has created the most efficient transfer of any club we have designed."


Aaaaahhhhh yes...... "Variable Face Technology".......translation.....if your one of the special ones we'll design this club face to match your exact swing speed. LoL's. We’ll even design a golf ball that will specifically bounce the clubface just right for (Tiger, Phil, Vijay, Ernie, Davis, J.B, Bubba) you.


MYTH 5:Most PGA Tour players swing at 120 mph or more.

Thank you for this statement Walter. What about the Top 30 Professionals that do swing it above 120??? Do these swing speeds count when it comes to the "Etiquette", "Sportsmanship", and "Courtesy" that the game is founded upon?

Taken from the Rules of Golf 2006-2007, Page 1:

The Spirit of the Game:
Unlike many sports, golf is played, for the most part, without the supervision of a referee or umpire. The game relies on the "Integrity" of the individual to show "Consideration" for "Other Players" and to abide by the "Rules". All players should conduct themselves in a "Disciplined" manner, demonstrating "Courtesy" and "Sportsmanship" at "All Times", "Irrespective" of how competitive they may be. This is the "Spirit" of the "Game of Golf".


http://golf.about.com/od/faqs/f/cor.htm


Walter, where is the "integrity" in the "rules" where rules are written to allow a minority with a faster club head speed to enjoy a "technological advantage" to go with their already god given strength?

Where is the "consideration" of "others" within the rules of golf when the USGA allows such rules in the first place?

Where is the "Disciplined" manner that the USGA is supposed to be conveying when demonstrating "Courtesy" and "Sportsmanship" at "All Times"??? Walter, that doesn't mean some of the times!

"Irrespective" Walter, of how much money may be donated to the USGA to help pay for the Net-Jets services.

Walter, the "Spirit" of the "Game of Golf" today, are you guys really concerned with the spirit, or in making money? Rules made, while completely abandoning the "Integrity", ‘Sportsmanship’, and “Courtesy" that the sport was founded upon, is making a mockery out of the USGA.

So much for your leadership conducting itself in a "Disciplined" manner, demonstrating "Courtesy" and "Sportsmanship" at "All Times". Are your morals as lax as your rules???

Callaway was incensed when the USGA passed judgment on his club, questioning whether it's of any benefit to the average golfer. That's what Walter Driver, the USGA's chairman of the Implements and Ball Committee, did in an article in the Feb. 21 edition of the Chicago Sun-Times, saying "the average player gets very little benefit from clubs with nonconforming [spring-like effects] .... They simply can't swing fast enough."

Callaway insists that there is a benefit to face give, and Tom Wishon describes what this means for every swing speed over 109mph, and how there becomes a greater result in distance for each mile per hour over 109. What we don't hear from Callaway Golf or Tom Wishon or the USGA is when the Variable Face Technology, which is like a Tennis Rackets strings, is tightened up, so the face give for those of high swing speeds using an even harder core golf ball can receive the perfect bounce. Changing the springs in obtaining a perfect bounce for a 450-pound person jumping on a trampoline is equivalent to giving a "Technological Advantage" to "Bombers". It’s a "Travesty".

Walter, do you expect anyone aspiring to one day play on the PGA Tour to have a pre-existing condition, swing speed?


MYTH 6:The USGA ball test doesn't control ball distance well enough because pros' swings are different than the test method.

Why did you up the test from 109 to 120??? LoL's. Is it because as Tom Wishon has so accurately described???

Through it all, the USGA and Callaway can almost agree on one thing: Each is disappointed about Palmer's role in the matter, over criticism he has received or why he endorsed the club for recreational use. "We were puzzled and disappointed, and we remain puzzled and disappointed," Fay said. "We've had numerous discussions with Arnold. Beyond that, I'm not going to comment."


Clubs built for amateur’s enjoyment, which then skews the results on the PGA Tour, where these clubs are only dependent on one thing, speed, is a farce. LoL's.


A lot of the criticism directed at Palmer is based on poor timing, that the King endorsed the club not long after Ely Callaway purchased his equipment company for $25 million. But Palmer does not play with the club, nor does he advocate its use by players of advanced skill.

Palmer has a 12-year endorsement contract with Callaway Golf to play its ball and irons. His fee is $400,000 annually, which, Callaway said, is about 1.5 percent of Palmer's annual endorsement income. Hardly an amount to jeopardize a reputation.


Since when did money have anything to do with a person’s reputation? What happened to principle, ethics, and morals?


Where is Arnold quoted in this article??? What say you Arnold, on this topic???



MYTH 7: The average distance for 5-irons on tour is more than 200 yards.

I love it, Walter you guys keep looking at average distance when the spectrum has grown into a wider gap of disparity than ever witnessed before in the game at the professional level. Players on the PGA Tour are not interested in "Average" length. J.B. Holmes hits a 4 iron 257 yards into the 15th green at TPC Scottsdale; he hits a 9 iron from 178 yards on the 16th hole a par 3. J.B. only used more than a nine iron in hitting greens in regulation during the Phoenix Open on two holes all week, those would be number 7 and 12. Walter, its not a test of a golfer’s ability to win when all the clubs in the bag where not used. When a player wins a Championship while he is only using 6 clubs in the bag is a signal that the distance SNAFU is out of whack. Now we are witnessing two drivers in the bag so that players can hit perfect draws and fades, well there’s lots of room in that bag today because of these golf balls having very little compression. How do we know this is true? It's because as John Spitzer, one of your highly trained physics technicians, has so accurately described in what happens when two objects collide and where energy loss is witnessed, only today Walter, J.B's 4 iron shot is not comparable to what was happening to a golf ball with 90 or 100 compression which all professionals used to use. Today's golf balls are virtually not compressing anymore. Therefore Walter, the ball is going farther. John, can you sit Walter down and explain the phenomenon to him? And how the distance spike witnessed from 2002 to 2003 is because the manufacturers made the core of the golf ball "Harder" yet again, and how that harder yet again golf ball core is losing even "less energy loss upon contact" today with driver faces being fine tuned for clubhead speed. Maybe John, you could explain to Walter how its all gone toooooooooooooooo..........faaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!


Allowing Pinnacles to be covered with balata covers so that Pinnacles today have been "Monster Garaged" from the two drum brakes they always had and being replaced with a set of 4 disk brakes so that these "Overhauled" Pinnacles can stop on a dime like a Ferrari is a joke. Either Driver Faces stop "Giving", or the golf ball has to be set with a standard compression that swing speeds of 105 can compress to a "Specific Degree". Walter, this way rough will play like rough use to.



MYTH 8:You get more distance by putting topspin on a drive.

You get more distance by having a harder core golf ball being "Bounced" with not a 300cc Driver Face but a 460cc Driver Face that has been fine tuned for your (specific professionals club head speed) specific club head speed. A 460cc beginners driver, where the Variable Face Thickness can be "Dialed In" for swing speeds of over 120mph has ruined the level playing field that was witnessed in golf from the late 1930's to the early 1990's according to Jack Nicklaus and confirmed by the statistics. The Sport today is "Out of Bounds" with regard to Integrity, Sportsmanship, and Courtesy that the Sport was founded on.


Walter, does the PGA Tour need to start making its own rules to govern competitions at the highest level??? Your myths are only generating more myths, like the USGA governs and makes rules that apply to all golfers with equity. Walter, the real facts need to come out. The USGA rules are allowing some to have a huge technological advantage. Golf unlike today, was never solely dependent on driving distance in an effort to gain an advantage. What we can define definitively today, starting in 1980 and moving through the early 1990's stats was some slight disparity, where driving distance was not the main ingredient to success, but instead a skill requirement to hit all the clubs in the bag was the main ingredient required for success.

Today success is highly defined by who can bounce one of these 460cc Driver Heads with a 125 compression golf ball into the next county, where that ball will run up the face from marginal rough, giving those shots height and enough spin to be stopped on a green. It's not golf anymore Walter, its a Long Drive Contest Scramble. What are you guys doing about it??? It would appear that you’re in the process of spreading more of the same propaganda that the manufacturers have been spreading the past few years when even they knew the new golf balls in 2003 really spiked the distance gains on the PGA Tour. Yes the players are better conditioned than before, the agronomy is better kept and so on and so on. It’s the Harder Core golf balls and the bigger trampolines that have been allowed out on the PGA Tour. Players on the PGA Tour have had it with this technological advantage granted to those that needed it the least. Players on the PGA Tour are prepared to set rules for themselves, regardless of what the Commissioner might be conveying to you. Professionals are Fed Up.
04.9.2006 | Unregistered CommenterSean Murphy
Sean,
You forgot to provide Walter with what Tiger's distance in 2002 was compared to the same distance today.

You did alright in pointing out the spike from 2002 to 2003 with the advent of the new Pro V 1 X with a harder core, but you forgot to also point out the debut of the new and improved Pro V 1-X that was introduced in 2005.

What is the distance placing that Tiger drove the original Pro V 1 in 2002 compared to the Pro V 1 X and new Pro V 1-X. In other words we know where 2002 yardage of 293 was 6th in distance, and we know it spiked in 2003 with the new Pro V 1 X but where is the distance of 293 witnessed in 2003 and 2005, with these new golf balls, and what place did this distance finish on the year end driving stats of the PGA Tour? Where did the new golf balls actually spike the distance of 293 to?

In 2003 it guantum leaped all the way down to 46th Chris Smith 293.2. So when you guessed that 24 players went past Tigers driving distance in 2003 the exact number of players hitting longer than Tiger's 2002 distance in 03 was actually 40 players. That's 40 players in one year Walter.

Did the USGA and Walter step in, Sean?

Let's look at where the new improved Pro V 1-X has taken the driving distance of 293?

The new improved Pro V 1-X took the driving distance of 293 to 61st Ben Crane 293.1 in 2005?

The Pro V 1 X of 2003 and the Pro V 1-X of 2005 has taken Tiger's driving distance of 2002 to 46th in 03 with the Pro V 1 X and 61st in 2005 with the new improved Pro V 1-X.

In three years 55 players are now driving the golf ball further than Tiger did in 2002.

Sean, that's why the J.B's and Bubba's of the PGA Tour are playing Championship golf course with 9 irons and less into the greens. Walter must have been taking a nap a few weeks ago when Bubba Watson drove it over the lake on the Par 5 6th at Bay Hill where he hit flip sand wedge in from 89 yards.

Walter's myths are precise points of contention. He knows the cat's out of the bag, and the USGA for what ever reason is now implementing a cover up. Keep trying Walter, but the stats do not support your (myths) opinions. Professionals are looking directly at you and the USGA.




04.9.2006 | Unregistered CommenterOldschool
Sean,

Here is another example for you on how the USGA implements their rules with impartiality.

Larry Nelson was disqualified from the Masters for having club face markings on his irons that didn't conform to USGA rules? The USGA became fixated on Larry's irons but have gone MIA on drivers clubfaces imparting influence to the golf ball.

Funny how some of their rules have a direct conflict of interest with some of their other rules.

http://www.tourgolfproducts.com/WORKSHOPS/AW_4.asp
04.9.2006 | Unregistered CommenterTom Watson
Larry Nelson should have offered to pay the USGA one years worth of Net-Jet services, he would probably have won that Masters.
04.9.2006 | Unregistered CommenterSt. Pete
Hogan called the tee shot the most important shot in golf. I think Hogan learned this aspect of the game from Bobby Jones himself, who use to mentor Ben from time to time. To see what has happend with driving accuracy succumbing to driving distance as being the majority deciding factor in the game today is shameful. All of this for what? To hear the USGA saying that their main mission is the preservation of the game, and in maintaining its history and integrity is heresy. The USGA wouldn't know what integrity was if it bit them on the ass.
04.11.2006 | Unregistered CommenterMichael
The USGA is in full cover up mode. Their test was set up for 109 miles per hour, Walter Driver claims the average swing speed is 112, why did they up it to 120? Was it because at 109 the real technological evidence was revealing itself. Ut...Oh! Yes, thats why they did it. It was too evident at 109 with whats happened in the past 4 years. The USGA also changed its testing for COR, another red flag. These changes haven't prduced clearer results, but to the contrary have created a clouded, cloaked situation from which the USGA is testing.
04.11.2006 | Unregistered CommenterRGM
Where is Sandy Tatum, and the A-Team when you need them? Look what these Bozos have allowed to transpire.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/04/AR2006040401658_pf.html
04.12.2006 | Unregistered CommenterWill
Tom, Sean,

Awesome examples and insight. We amateurs follow golf closely but never see or understand the true inner workings. In everything, I know there's politics involved. It never occured to me the USGA could be persuaded or ignorant to these revelations. There's integrity in the sport today thanks to you two carrying the load for the minority.
04.12.2006 | Unregistered CommenterBrian
Everything described on this post is 95% accurate. The other 5% I can not verify with certainty but it lends itself to practicality. Knowing what I do, from the week in, week out drill, the ball and driver has certainly ruined golf on the professional level. It's easy for me to say this after 25 plus years in the industry and dealing with the latest equipment yearly. The sport is now dependent on bombing, we build 4 times as many drivers each week in the trailor as compared to sets of irons. Each driver we build consistes of every concievable shaft weight, flex profile, frequency, torque, butt and tip stiffness profile, and believe it or not color. These guys know that distance today means everything, and that's all they think about. Ten years ago the emphisis was on irons, wedges, and putters. I see the difference, which is sad for golf.
04.12.2006 | Unregistered CommenterTour Rep

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