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Wednesday
Jan162013

"Mickelson's Torrey Pines Vision Taking Shape"

Tod Leonard on the unveiling of Torrey Pines North's first three holes as Phil Mickelson would like to update them.

Most of it sounds solid, but some of this type of earth moving in the wrong hands could backfire:

Most significantly, three bunkers that guard the front of the first green would become one smaller bunker to the right-middle, while Angus said a bank on the left side would kick balls toward the hole. There is a swale to the short right of the green that golfers might find if they go for the hole in two shots.

• At the par-5 first, current fairway bunkers that are closer to the white tees will be eliminated, with new bunkers requiring carries of 278 and 310 yards for the pros. Where most amateurs would land, the fairway would be widened and raised to provide better views of the ocean. The green would be lowered by 8 feet to show off more water.

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They don't want fees to go up, but they spend $1Million on cart paths at Balboa......

Welcome to the nightmare....

Phil, your going to screw it up. Oh sure. People will voice how great you are and how great everything is, but once the shine wears....
01.16.2013 | Unregistered CommenterTommy Naccarato
Is Phil going to be able to hang around and give a long-term commitment to the community which is required when changes of this magnitude are made?
01.16.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
@Tommy - isn't removing excessive non in play turf part of the low maintenance / naturalistic aesthetic espoused by Geoff as well as Core and Crenshaw ? From everything that is out there, the course is mediocre at best right now, not sure how much worse you think he is going to make it ? What is the problem ?
01.16.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
Brian,

My interpretation, and my opinion, is the costs are a problem.
01.16.2013 | Unregistered CommenterJoe
I hate cart paths.
01.17.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
costs are such that we can't comprehend over here!
Mind you if he's filling in short bunkers and widening the fairway there and putting in others at 300ish-then I'm 100% in favour.That can't be so expensive can it?!
One thing about the course is that it is adjacent to Torrey Pines State Park, which shows the purely natural state of the landscape. Phil mentions trying to bring in the native landscaping back into the course, which is exactly the right thing to do, so I want to reward him for that effort. Ideally, the course would look effortlessly integrated into the State Park, which it doesn't do now, so any significant attempts in that direction are really good.
01.17.2013 | Unregistered CommenterJim S
8 feet?
01.17.2013 | Unregistered CommenterMike
Will Billy Bell's Ghost make an appearance in a dozer? If not, there are plenty of Billy Bells out there who could stand in...
01.19.2013 | Unregistered CommenterUbb
Sorry I missed this will up in Seattle last week, I attended the Architecture Open House on Jan 10 and spoke to Mike Angus for about 30 minutes. Heres what I learned:

They will definitely blow up the exissting greens; they can't or won't try to mange the pushups. City Golf Manager Mark Marney was adiment that they lost greens on the North this year because they are not USGA type.

They have landed the project ($5-7 MM) but have presented no specific plans. There were conceptual drawing showing what they might do to the first 3 holes.

When I asked if they were going to do do significant earth moving thety said they weren't sure. The site is red clay with a 6" layer of top soil, so large earth moving would be very complicated.

Will they change the grassing scheme from Kikuyu fairways and mixed roughs; agin not sure.

They do propose to move some greens closer to the canyon edge without technically going into the State Preserve. Who will you have to get permission from to do this; again they didn't know. Who did Rees get permission from to move 3, 4 &14 closer to the canyons; again they didn't know.

They do plan to have rugged unirrigated areas on the golf course proper that will mimick the natural canyons nearby. However I was shocked when I heard the main constructuion gut say they would just spread some decompossed granite, just like they do in AZ. This could end up looking like a desert course if not planned meticulously.

Lots of question and not many answers at this point. This project should rival the MPPC Shore redesign; my fingers sre firmly crossed at this point.
01.23.2013 | Unregistered CommenterPete L.
May you explain how many fee you charges to the candidates? I really want to know.

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