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Jan312013

Vijay WD's To Spend More Time WIth His Lawyer

AP's John Nicholson reports, though it's light on details. Not that anyone really is shocked following the admission that he violated the PGA Tour's doping policy.

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"I think when you're dealing with hundreds of athletes, and things can get into your body, we may very well have problems," Finchem said. "But at this point, not only do the players accept the rule, they put it on the same level as any other rule of golf. They work hard to understand what they need to be doing. They stay updated, and we've avoided problems."

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tours-news/2011-05/golf-ron-sirak-column-0516

That is a mistake. Virtually all team sports have taken an image hit in recent years as a result of negative headlines. The most effective action the PGA Tour can take to protect the mostly pristine image of its players -- and to protect its title sponsors and player endorsement partners -- is to penalize inappropriate behavior and make those penalties public.

The Tim Finchem shell game continues.....

Has any player on the Champions Tour actually been tested since testing began?

Votaw speaks for Tim?

The German SS was after Doug Barron.

When is the money laundering investigation going to begin? It would be interesting to see what kind of penalties and possible suspensions Commissioner Finchem would consider imposing on himself. Finchem, "golf is a sport where there are no umpires, players call penalties on themselves." Does one think Mr. Tim would call a penalty on himself?
VJ should be given a 3 to 6 month suspension, and jut like accepting a penalty in a round, you broke a rule, maybe a dumb rule, but be a man and accept the punishment.

Here is a question; I know there is no ''player's union'', but where were the players when Doug Barron got thrown under the bus?
01.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
Hmmm... has anyone else noticed that here at 8.12 PST, that the Elkington cartoon is unavailable? Second thoughts, Steve?
01.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterbenseattle
I think that sore back is true- you know, the very low spot button the back underneath the tail, the butt, kicked and such.

Stated previously, but VJ's trainer should have been aware of any meds/supplements/treatments and researched such. While VJ is where the buck stops (''buck''-get it?), the trainer needs to be a part of the story IMO.

Anyway, again- golf, broke a rule, penalty-3 to 6 months. I don't see any indicator of an effort to cheat- he would not have stated he takes it in an article. Like a 2 stroke penalty in round 3, serve it, anf go play round 4.
01.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
First of all, I think that there is a huge difference between trying to cheat and trying to take natural supplements to improve your health. Personally, I take Centrum and Vitamin D every day. But, I have tried other things trying to make my damaged knee feel better. For example, my doctors recommended that I try Glocosumine and Chondroiten to see if it helped. Does it make me crazy that I tried it?

Within herbal potions including common teas, there are a lot of chemical compounds that cannot be determined by reading the ingrediants.

If the banned substance was not on the ingrediant list, how did he "cheat?"
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrad Ford
Chondroitin is a component of cartilage and glucosamine is a sugar constituent of other carbohydrate polymers found in connective tissue. These are secreted by cells (e.g., chondrocytes) for the maintenance of joint flexibility, lubrication, and shock absorption. It is not particularly clear that eating these dietary supplements will increase the synthesis and secretion in the right cell in the right place, but it probably couldn't hurt and clinical trials offer some support for the practice. Too much glucosamine has been linked to insulin resistance and other metabolic problems, however.

Vijay is going on a forced vacation for doing something that cannot work as used. Irony is not dead after all.
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
@Brad. He cheated because they were specifically told that this product included banned ingredients, late in 2011. They were given a piece of paper that said so. Either he ignored it, or never took the time to read it, but either way, he or someone in his camp, should have known better. To follow in Dig's analogy, reminds me of the bunkergate at Whistling Straights. Probably no intent, just carelessness and lack of attention to the rules.
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
Brad, G & C is a recognized and prescribed supplement, and has been for years. It is ''lubrication'' for joints.

Many meds that were animal scrips are now used on people- DMSO comes to mind, and I was told about it, and used it wayyy back when, and it is bizarre- with VERY clean skin, you rubbed DMSO and the actual med you were taking onto the skin, and it is ABSORBED thru the body right into the blood stream - normally this was for a muscle soreness treatment- you can taste an ''oyster like'' flavor in your mouth ,and if you have not adequately washed/cleaned you skin DAM!- the salt from sweat burns like heck, it is ''soaked'' right thru your skin, muscles and right in to your blood!

DMSO is ''horse linament''--


doctors were barbers, and leaches were medicine not so very long ago.

Grandma knew how to make a poultice and chicken noodle soup helps.

The deer antler ''idea''- WTF is the chemical that makes deer horns grow so quickly- is a sound starting point, but the oriental practice of ground up horns is not what VJ was taking in a spray, to squirt under the tongue ---if I understand correctly- he was taking the chemical that these guys believe is the active ingredient in creating fast growth in deer antlers, actually a good idea if it is truly the correct formula, AND if it could be absorbed under the tongue. My point to the DMSO story-- if it were sprayed on clean skin, and then DMSO applied, bunko!

I made a joke about VJ and buying every gimmick on late nite infomercials, but I applaud him for wanting to be as good as he can be- and he was dumb to not know that, while he may not have found the ''ingredient'' of the stuff listed on the DAS to be on the banned list--- well, duh- Deer antler spray--BY NAME- is on the list.

Like, duh.
01.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
From @KLG's post, it is clear that he knows quite a bit out the supplement industry and how the supplements are supposed to work.

My point is this: If I go to a supplement or herbal store, most products that will list the ingrediants. BUT, those ingrediants are not necessarily specific as to the chemical compounds are part of the main ingrediatiants.

For example, let's assume that pot was not illegal to purchase:
1) I go to the store to purchase tea. I ask whats in the bag. The clerk says "green tea." It helps joints feel better. The label says 100% Green Tea.
2) I might not know that Green Tea contains a compound that is banned.

If Vijay was knowingly taking a banned substance, I don't know why he would come out and admit it over such a long period of time. Typically, athletes caught cheating admit to doing it for a limited period of time - see A-Rod. They don't admit to doing it for years unless they are forced to.


When I was a youngster, I had a US Cycling license. When it arrived, it included an enormous list of banned substances that I was not allowed to take. In addition to common drugs like ephedrine, it included complex cemical compounds that I had never heard of. If any of those common substances were in common OTC remedies, I probably took one w/o knowing it.
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrad Ford
digger, Mark Calcavecchia used the exact same product from the exact same supplier, the Tour knew about it, and did nothing.

Why should Vijay suffer a different fate than Calc?
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
Personally I think slow play is more of an issue than PED's...
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterViz
Honestly, we're talking deer antlers here. How about we ban 5 Hour Energy (or at least Jim Furyk's hat) while we're at it.
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGolden Bell
Lifetime ban seems appropriate.
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterThe O
Tim is in a corner, surrounded by paint. Any way out will involve getting his shoes messy.
I smell varmint poontang. And the only good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang, I think.
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Spackler
So are any of the ingredients in those 'grow hair back' products that the baldies and thinning hair guys take and / or slather on their heads banned? How's about the ingredients in those 'male enhancement' products that nobody buys yet make millions of dollars?
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterPress Agent
So VJ withdrew with back issues? Hmm. Wonder if it's the same type of "back issues" Dustin Johnson was rumored to have had and will heep him out a few months? Where is DTF around here when you need him? LOL!
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterOWGR Fan
@ ElK

Bwahahahahaahahahahaaaaaa!!!

Does the deer antler spray make your horns hard??
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Spackler
OWGR, I referenced that other "back injury" (#winkwink) in another post earlier. Maybe we'll call him Jet Ski from now on ;)

Speaking of flimsy withdrawals, ol" Jet Ski wins the Windy HIlls Open, gives an interview the next day about how he feels fine, and then WD's mid-round on Friday with the "flu". Problem is the Hockey Heiress has an insatiable Instagram habit and sent out pics of Jet Ski and hereslf all about town over the weekend...

...heck, he shoulda just said his back went out ;)
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
FTR, Jet Ski has 1 win that *counts*.
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
''Why should Vijay suffer a different fate than Calc?''

Because Timmy plays favorites?
01.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
digger, while not an acceptable explanation...it's certainly a plausible one.

Having said that, I don't remember Calc ever being a fav in Ponte Vedra.
01.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
It's all relative Del Taco.....Relative to VJ, Calc is well, American, for starters.
01.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
Presumably a period of suspension affects sponsorship income, does anyone know the standard clauses stating when the cash stops rolling in?
Calc and other were told not to use this product around 2011.
Like Vijay, they did not know it could be on banned list.
Players were informed NOT to use it.
Vijay either puleed a Dustin Johnson and didn't read the notice,
or he ignored it.

Don't know if it works, but if iti is on banned list......
02.1.2013 | Unregistered Commenterurarichard
What would be great is if Phil pulled out an antler stub and started sucking on it like a lolly pop on the 16th hole come Sunday
02.2.2013 | Unregistered Commenterjohnnnycz

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