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Oct292013

Video: Sean Foley On Charlie Rose

I haven't had time to watch all 37 minutes yet, but Charlie Rose's interview with Sean Foley is sure to be interesting. The stuff right off the top about distance, ball-striking and short game is sure to generate plenty of discussion! I wouldn't expect anything less from Foley, always one of the more thought-provoking people in the game.

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We watched this the other night on Charlie Rose. My wife said that Sean is too smart for most golfers to understand. I think I'm the only golfer she knows...
10.30.2013 | Unregistered Commenterd
So.... use of Myelin?
10.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterStreaky Putter
interesting guy, seems to have a very good perspective of his role as teacher and coach. Ugly shirts though.
If you've ever spent time wondering why you just pulled/pushed/chunked/topped a golf shot, i.e. thinking about the golf swing, you'll find this interview intriguing. Foley would be an interesting dinner companion.
10.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterLeo47
Good guy, smart guy, nice guy. I enjoyed most of this, but the place I still have a beef with him comes at the 19:02 mark when he describes his work with the golf swing and says, " I have to shift the plane to the left to make sure that the path is congruent to the golf ball."

This is the essence of what I've described as "the Foley wipe," and the improbably counter intuitive reps that Tiger is still trying to impose on what was once one of the most naturally free swings the game has ever seen.
10.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterRLL
RLL, you need to learn the ball flight laws my friend...
10.30.2013 | Unregistered Commenterj
@RLL: I have to agree with Foley on this.

There must be an element of "left-ness" in the swing since the club is moving around the body...and the body (I presume)...has a center of balance place for every type of shot in which the club moves around in order to hit the ball.

Think of what the club head path has to look like from the "god-cam" (above the ball) perspective. No straight lines at all if one has a proper on plane swing...thus the body must swing "left: after impact to maintain the plane/arc whilst keeping the shaft pointing at the extended target line through the hitting zone.
10.30.2013 | Unregistered Commenterjohnnnycz
Kudu to Sean Foley and to Charlie Rose: great interview!
10.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterFiber
Johnnny -- of course there's "an element of left-ness in the swing." Anyone studying J's -- er, Sean's -- "laws" can see that, even without a "god-cam."

But that's very different from having a player yank his right arm hard left horizontal after impact, keeping it parallel to the ground, which defines The Foley Wipe, and which is now throwing Tiger's back out instead of his knee.
10.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterRLL
RLL, why don't you watch the below video showing Hogan's swing; especially at 3:40. The second video is from Tiger at Doral (see at 0:23) If anything, Hogan swings harder left than Tiger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma84i1Ok3I0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EW5giagYqw
10.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterj
Oh, man, here we go again, Groundhog Day...this year as "J".

Let me save everybody about ten back-and-forth's and just say this, J: Tiger's Foley Wipe has about as much to do with Hogan's swing as Furyk's swing has to do with Sam Snead's.
10.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterRLL
RLL,

Or even Justin Rose golf clinic at the 1:06 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8xT41gAdcE
10.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDC
is it just me or did Charlie Rose come across as very unprepared to lead this interview?
10.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterc
RLL,
All I said is that Hogan swung hard
LEft just as Tiger does. If you don't see that in the video, so be it. As for Tiger and Hogan having very different swings, you should look more closely, many aspects of their swings are quite similar; ie lowering of upper body during backswing and downswing...

RLL I'm guessing you're a big Butch Harmon fan
10.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterJ
Nope, actually a big Hogan fan though.

And PS., the Justin Rose came in right on cue, too...
10.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterRLL
You guys are kidding, right? HOGAN is the standard for the swing? Not Nicklaus? Not the guy with the swing that almost never needed maintaining, who could out-drive Palmer and hit flag sticks with 1-irons?

Not the guy with 18 majors in his spare time?

Perhaps the state of the golf swing is in such sorry a condition because people choose a half-crippled (not slamming him, that's what he was, and his swing was adjusted to account for this) hooker who built a swing with 5 compensations, upon which to model a full-out swing?

How hard left did Nicklaus swing? Nelson? Snead?

You guys are obsessed with the technique of a wee mon who plunked it out there pretty straight, but who forever lamented his lack of distance - first clue...
11.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGuest
I guess my point was that RLL's negativity towards Tiger's move under Foley is a bit crazy, as Hogan who many consider one of the best swingers and ball-strikers of all time employed many of the same elements in his move. Also most top flight players would say that just with regards to ball-striking, Hogan was the best. But if you want me to bring up another pure striker who swung hard left, see the below video of Sam Snead (6:05 is best)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZyQqKAIa84
11.1.2013 | Unregistered Commenterj
Swings are personal, J, so let's not use words like "crazy," okay...? Foley's a smart guy who both fosters and deserves intelligent conversation about the game of golf.

Tiger once expressed in an interview a long time ago that the only golfers he could say owned their swings were Hogan, Snead, and Moe Norman (interestingly, this was right before he went to the single plane...) -- and that he wanted to be one of those who owned his swing. The irony, of course, is that his swings now get referred to by guys like you as "the Butch swing" or "the Haney swing" or now "the Foley swing."

Rather than "crazy," what I think about the swing is that it's a pretty good expression of what lies within a golfer. And although it's still surprising to many, what we've found out about Tiger over the years is that he has a lot of chaos within, and that he seems to need to impose an outside discipline on that chaos which, IMO, sometimes inhibits rather than encourages his own unbelievably huge natural talent.

I can easily understand his desire to "change his swing" after hitting the fire hydrant. I just don't see what he's doing as coming from within. He has to rehearse what he's doing dozens of times before hitting a ball -- even in the middle of matches -- in order to impose it on himself. And this causes a lot of perceptive observers to want to scream, "for God's sake, you're Tiger Woods, you're the greatest ever, just go out there and play the game!" Count me as one of those, if anything.
11.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterRLL
You guys realize that the "swinging hard left" is a compensation, right? To get the left side out of the way of the right side? If one tried to actually figure out what they're doing wrong, then perhaps we could leave aside all the ridiculous "tips."

If you are in a proper position from which to swing, you will swing normally. The laws of physics and sports don't change with golf, whatever people say.

Tiger never had to swing hard left until he started subscribing to the psychobabble that is Foley's instruction.

The club swings in an arc, it will go left by itself - swinging hard left is nothing more than a fix to a problem that occurs earlier in the swing.

Ask Hogan - he wished he had two right hands, 'cause the left kept getting in the way.
11.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGuest
Guest,
I take it you are a fan of Butch. Keep swinging to right field to hit that draw...
11.1.2013 | Unregistered Commenterj
j: No. I'm a fan of proper swing principles. First and foremost, keeping the leading foot square to the target line and fixed during the back swing - Fail.

When I see that, I don't have to watch the swing. Twisting, jumping and incremental damage ensue, and I don't watch bad movies.
11.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGuest
PS - what's the difference between a banana-slicing hacker and the Foley swing?

The short game and paycheck.
11.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGuest
I don't understand what you're saying about the leading foot (I guess this means the front foot); Tiger and most players definitely have it flared. See below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffANaGphsh0

As for your second message, it's clear you don't appreciate any intellectual thoughts on swing theory as opposed to the same old drivel that Harmon et al continue to preach. No wonder the average golfer hasn't gotten any better even though drivers are the size of grapefruits and the golf ball doesn't curve.
11.1.2013 | Unregistered Commenterj
Guest,

The difference between the two is the 2013 US Open.

Can we also get rid of the notion that Jack Nicklaus changed his swing? The man' s own words show otherwise.
http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/2011-11/flick-nicklaus-slice-fix
11.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDC
j :

Sorry, you can look and see that sometimes the foot is flared more or less, other times it's squared, so there's no consistency there to begin with. Second, swinging with the lead foot planted is an unnatural innovation unique to golf in the last couple of decades, and coincides perfectly with the proliferation of young players with old man's injuries, wouldn't you say?

It's not just Foley. The modern conventional swing is wreaking havoc on bodies. Look at Nicklaus' leading foot, Nelson's, Snead's, Palmer's - these guys played all their lives with relatively little or no injury. Bobby Jones. Vijay Singh, the all-time winner in his 40's.

What's the difference between these swings and the modern swing?

They're proper swings. Trying to swing without your lower body is like trying to run without hip motion.

I come to this blog because I find the golf knowledge to be top-rate. Anything to do with the faux-intellectual Foley however, does not fall into that category.

Foley's swing method is contrived and ridiculous. There, I said it.
11.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGuest
Guest,
If you think Foley's players don't use their lower bodies you are very mistaken. Tiger's hip turn in the back swing is probably 30 degrees more compared to when he worked with Haney. Additionally, regarding keeping the left heal planted or not; given that the vast majority of the forces of the swing are exerted on the left leg in the downswing (after the heal risers have already replanteded the leg), I disagree that the movement of the heal in the backswing, has anything to do with injuries. As for playing injury free, check out Freddy Couples a prominent heal lifter.

Guest, you are stuck in the past man. Keep listening to the same old instruction bs, (ie, don't let the head lower in the downswing or backswing, swing to right field etc.)
11.1.2013 | Unregistered Commenterj
Stuck in the past? That's where the swings are, sir. Some things, you don't change. Dick Fosbury changed the high jump, I don't hear modern jumpers talking about "the past."

Has the way people walk changed, or do they still walk as they did in the past?

Is track & field espousing a "modern" style of sprinting? Or is the old way just about the right way?

New isn't better. Ask Coke.

And I swing the "old way," I'm in my 40's and don't have any physical ailments. Swing the modern way? No thanks, I'd like to both play golf and walk in my old age.

That's about it for me. We'll disagree and the sun will come up.

And Tiger will stay at 14 majors with Foley.

I'll live with that.
11.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGuest
Agree to disagree, but are you really comparing the golf swing, to running, which is one of man's most natural actions?
11.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterJ

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