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Wednesday
Mar062013

The Trump Blue Monster Renovation Plan Revealed...**

Torleif Sorenson posts Gil Hanse and Donald Trump's vision for the TPC Blue Monster at Trump Doral, though I'm hard pressed to see many major changes other than the par-3 15th which has lots of water around it.

The Donald told the media Tuesday that it's going to be an island green.

But Bradley Klein explains that's been a source of disagreement between the design partners.

But when it came to a proposed island green, Hanse balked. When Trump urged extension of a pond to encircle the otherwise placid, landlocked green on the par-3 15th, Hanse resisted, explaining that it would be out of character with Wilson’s emphasis on diagonal lines of play. So the plan now is to project the relocated green out into a corner of the expanded pond and form a sharp diagonal, with the putting surface flanked by water front left and deep to the rear.

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Tremendous water hole....
Tremendous room back there....
Tremendous for fans....
Tremendous driving range....
Tremendous amounts of fairway....
Tremendous mounding.....
Tremendous slopes.....

"Occaisionally villians will have motives for their speech: they think others regard them as inferior and wish to point that out, in detail, the marks of their superiority. The plan must be admired by those that will appreciate the cleverness involved. The prevalence of the cliche, however, can make even such motivated speeches sound implausible."
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterD. maculata
Any change that is liked, most will credit Hanse. Any change that is not liked, Trump will be blamed.
Gil is the subordinate in this relationship...

DM
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDick Mahoon
Doral Blue gets bad-rapped a lot...but I still can picture every hole on the back nine, and most of the holes on the front in my mind and I haven't played it in years. I think that's a sign of a good design. I hope they keep the cool old plaques on #16 and #18 tee boxes.
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBobby D
Where is the Donald going to put in the Stripper Pole and the Clubhouse themed after a New Orleans Brothel?
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrad Ford
Still no mention of the "new" green fees?
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBobby D
Trump had no say in this. If he had, you'd be reading about 18 island greens trimmed in gold, huge chandeliers used for street lights in the parking lot, and a few random waterfalls. And it would all be QUALITY!
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterCOB
When opportunity knocks, be careful who's behind the door.

I don't know if that's a real proverb or not, but if not, it should be.
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterPress Agent
<< When opportunity knocks, be careful who's behind the door.

I don't know if that's a real proverb or not, but if not, it should be. >>

Uh.... let's skip it, if you don't mind. If "opportunity" is knocking, then by definition you ALREADY KNOW who is behind the door. You, of course, have the option whether or not to open.

And speaking of water on par threes, why not make EVERY par three an island green, thus insuring that golf everywhere comes to a complete standstill and thereby driving all the beginners, kids, newcomers and frustrated hacks right out of the game. With courses thus devoid of anyone with a double-digit handicap, the rest of us sticks can get back to playing in three hours.

Ah... I feel better now. All facetiousness aside, the idea of MORE WATER on ANY golf hole is just an open invitation to add another ten minutes to a round of golf. THIS is the "friend of golf" that some are calling Donald Trump? By the way, has anyone asked the benevolent blowhard what the green fees will be at the "new" Trump I-Really-Designed-It-All-By-Myself Doral?

The over/under is now at $300.
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBenSeattle
This just in: Gil is agreeing with The Donald to create a cascading waterfall from the island scoreboard on 18 with a gold capped dome similar to the Taj Majal. "IT WILL BE TREMENDOUS", Trump was heard saying.
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterOl Harv
Another example of a course that is being redesigned specifically for the professionals. More water, especially on the par 3's, spells disaster and no fun for the average player as @benseattle pointed out. It is the 'monster' course though so it's not completely surprising.
03.6.2013 | Unregistered Commentercameron
@cameron...actually, the Blue Course is fairly manageable for a mid to low cap player from the up tees.
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBobby D
He's spending $300 million above and beyond the purchase price to renovate a famous Golf resort that has fallen on hard times. He re-uped w the Tour for 10 more years. He's teaming up with Els to let the public play his private courses to Benefit Autism. What a freakin $&$#@ he is.

And those complaining about the greens fees at the resort he paid for ? How much are the fees at Winged Foot ? Cypress ? Shinnecock ? Thats right, there are none, nobody is allowed to play them. But those Clubs are the good guys right ?
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
So Brian, you're saying private clubs shouldn't be allowed?
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrad
Wonder how much of this would be going on
if there was any "consulting" with Gil on this project?
03.6.2013 | Unregistered CommenterCeloso
I use to play Doral occaisionaly when I was in college back in the late 60's. Other than 18 is was not that tough a course. It's main defense was wind just like the Old Course. In benign conditions pros used to shoot some pretty low numbers. What is sad however is the belief that courses have to be completely redesigned because of equipment. That was not the intent of the manufacturers. They were trying to make the game easier for the average Joe. (Generic, no offense to the ladies) If a club allows someone to hit a 7 iron to the green instead of a 4 iron and the response is to lengthen the hole so that person still has to hit a 4 iron, does that make the game better? Our great old tracks don't need to be changed. If someone shoots 55 so be it. I'd rather see a fellow try to drive a 350 yard hole than move it back so he still has to hit a wedge in.
03.7.2013 | Unregistered CommenterMike Stevens
BrianS, Your comment is incredible. So the public can't play Winged Foot and Shinnecock but Trump "allows" them to play his at over $300 and he's a good guy? Can we nominate him for the WGHOF yet?
03.7.2013 | Unregistered CommenterC Arthur
I have to agree with BrianS. Often the way Trump goes about things leaves a bad taste. but there are positives. I think the clubs here in america have done a terrible job of promoting the type of architecture that many on this and other sites treasure.
03.7.2013 | Unregistered CommenterMarker81
C Arthur - it is very simple - if whatever greens fees he decides to charge at Doral are too high, I am guessing that he won't get any takers. So his redo will have to justify whatever fees he decides to charge. Clearly in S Florida there are plenty of alternate choices for a nice resort golf course, including 4 others located at the same property. But the hypocrisy of those ripping him for charging high greens fees, while at the same time revering private clubs that cost fortunes to belong to is puzzling to me. @ Brad - I have 0 problems with private clubs, just like I have 0 problems with premium courses charging premium fees.
03.7.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
The only thing I'm quite surprised at in this plan is moving #10 green away from the water. I understand it's to create length, but if you watch approaches to the current #10, guys get scared and end up in some strange spots.

I might expand the lake on #10 to go around the left side of the new 10th green and possibly along the left side of the 8th fairway as well.
03.7.2013 | Unregistered CommenterMatt
Also the lake next to #1 green looks awkward but I'm sure they'll make it work.
03.7.2013 | Unregistered CommenterMatt
@Brian S...how many times have you played the Blue Course at Doral?
03.7.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBobby D
BrianS, I thought about what you said and my bad, yes Donald Trump is just a peach of a human being. He did all of those things you mentioned and that negates the 50,000 bad things the guy has been doing to people all his life. WWJD. I forgive him. Donald Trump is now my favorite. He's Tremendous.
03.7.2013 | Unregistered CommenterC Arthur
@matt I actually think 10 could be interesting with the green moved out and away from the water because, although it's longer, the layup could get pretty nasty as they're going to have to try and land it somewhere between the bunkers, the water, and the rough if they want a good angle into the green...or else lay way back. could get interesting if the wind picks up.
03.7.2013 | Unregistered Commentercameron
Trump is thinking: I should have used Fazio again. He makes all my club courses look like resplendent masterpieces. He doesn't talk back and didn't balk when I told him to build a giant water feature on the 18th at the DC club that is so big that it obscures the view of the green from the club house. It's the finest course in the D.C. area.
03.8.2013 | Unregistered CommenterThe O
O, are you being serious or mocking Trump with the best course in DC area. I can think of at least five others that blow it away. The Donald has already declared it one of the best in the East and Tremendous. Impressive facility but not a great course.
03.8.2013 | Unregistered CommenterPorterhouse
D.C. Trump reaches new territory for the brand.
03.4.2014 | Unregistered CommenterGolfFan

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