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Tuesday
Apr302013

Vijay Acquitted, Share Your Resounding Joy Here

I'm out watching PAC 12 golf but I know you need an outlet to express your joy at the heartwarming news of Vijay's acquittal on admitting to having purchased a banned substance.

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Let me get this straight:

Vijay admitted taking Deer Antler Spray.
The Tour tested Deer Antler Spray and found IGF-1 in it.
An admission has to be treated like a positive test.
WADA says after the fact Deer Antler Spray is only prohibited if you find IGF-1 in a sample.
Currently there is no blood test available for IGF-1 and there's no blood testing on the PGA Tour anyway.
Vijay walks free.

Greg Norman is absolutely right. Drug testing on the PGA Tour is a disgrace
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterRyan
Well, well....
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
But wait a minute.
Studies show that IGF-1 cannot be ingested when taken orally, so Vijay could not have benefitted from ingesting the deer antler spray.
What would also be beneficial for the Tour is to remove it from the banned list in light of the knowledge that it cannot be metabolized in that form.
At the end of the day, I think this is a tempest in a teapot. Does certainly show that the Tour needs better oversight of the issue but if we are looking for a smoking gun for PED's on the Tour, this is not it.
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterKG
"justice", PGA TOUR style.....

why have any rules since they apparently dont get enforced?
04.30.2013 | Unregistered Commenterchicago pt
Deer antler spray? Come on guys this stuff is gotta be like taking Fried Monkey testicles for virility. what a joke both on Vijay and the Tour.
Update,
Just read that the Tour changed its position in consultation with WADA which makes a lot of sense to me.
Now, what do we do with Bubba's latest tweet? When will these guys learn that the rest of the world doesn't need to know they object to a persons lifestyle? If we could only work and life with people we could agree with, wouldn't the world be great?
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterKG
If I had to summarize my thoughts here...
- The process & associated quotes by Finchem et al. clearly illustrated that the entire drug testing and associated appeals process is ludicrous.
- Doesn't the PGA Tour always look a bit amateurish when dealing with discipline or other serious issues? Especially when compared to the other major sports? Wait - don't answer that...I almost forgot about Ryan Braun.
- I'm not really mad at Vijay, because I don't think he gained any sort of advantage here. I'm inclined to believe the reports that state that your body can't even metabolize the hormone when applied in this fashion. He got taken for a ride, like anybody else who bought the stuff.

So yeah...I don't particularly care for Vijay, but I won't lose a minute of sleep over him continuing to tee it up. At all.
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterAlex H.
I believe Finchem used Rule 33-7 in coming to this decision... just kidding.

Seriously pathetic, and that's all there is to say. It's similar to Tiger's drop IMO, in that dropping it 2 yards behind probably didn't effect his score (and in this case didn't effect Vijay's performance), but the rule is the rule.

This past month has showed sports fans just how much of a joke golf is at enforcing their own rules.
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterChicago John
The Tour follows WADA standards because they cannot legally defend any other position. WADA now says deer antler spray is not considered a problem. Timing was ugly for Finchem (likely because all his VPs that get the big bucks did not do their homework and work with WADA earlier) but what else could he do? If he does not drop the suspension VJ would sue, and VJ would win.
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterJJ
Every 800 years, give or take, the Trojan Horse works. Nice work.

Anyway, can't wait to see how they avoid the WADA when the next Olympiad rolls around. If they're lucky, the course won't be done and they won't have to open a vein.

Granted, I'm only talking about a very small percentage, but still . . . .
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterWillie
A lot of noise about nothing. Hard to see any impact.

It did put the tour in a bad spot. Whatever they did, there were some people who would whine.

Gotta believe that there are more important things to worry about...
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterMarge Geneverra
Yes, but they don't seem to worry about any of them...rules seem to be there for the record, but not for inconveniencing their players. And the hell with golf, be it rules or how it is played or integrity.

One of these days the PA Tour is going to choke on its own tainted fat.
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGhillie
Unless your name is Doug Barron.
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBarney Thompson
So how do the Ducks look this year, Geoff? Any match for the Bears?
04.30.2013 | Unregistered Commenterpasaplayer
The PGA Tour leaves the drug testing to the WADA, and they leave the Rulemaking for golf to the USGA.

I think that is all for the best.

Just imagine how bad theTour could screw things up if the they had any more autonomy.

And while I am blowing off steam here, I don't mind sticking up for Vijay. This situation may be confusing. It may have been badly handled. And why, oh why Vijay was using anything called Deer Antler Spray I will never understand. But start to finish, Vijay was reported to be giving everybody full cooperation. Everybody, that is, except for the writers. There is nothing about this story that makes me think "careful intent to cheat and employ artifice" and everything that makes me think, "dumb screwup."
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterChuck
This rules committee clearly consulted the Masters committee on how to explain away a violation.
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterJohn C
@KG: Yes, Bubba's tweet will probably come back to haunt him far more than his France comments. I wonder how Ping and Oakley feel about endorsing an openly homophobic person?
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterHawkeye
You called it ,Del.

+2

I continue to wonder about VJ and Annika and the amazing disapearance when the testing changed/started. If things are as they appear, then they appear to be tainted.

Gosh, I hope Doug Barron goes after Tim Finchem personally. Where is some high profile lawyer who wants to kick some PV tail. The Barron move sure seems like it was total Tim talking.

As to the PGAT and rules, it is starting to look like they are not gonna be much different than a buddy match; mulligan on the front and back, inside the leather is good.
04.30.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
So how long until the US Open has REO Speedwagon or the like worked in to some sort of opening gig, like NASCAR, where racing 200 mph isn't enough, or the Super Bowl, where some was been band or artist does a medley of their hits, or REO, a medley of their hit.

What am I thinking? We can have Alice Cooper open for the black faux country dude who hangs out at golf stuff. I don't remember his name.
04.30.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
You just keep thinking, Bubba. That's what you're good at.

Azziff.
04.30.2013 | Unregistered CommenterGhillie
Vijay accused of cheating? I'm shocked, I tell ya.
05.1.2013 | Unregistered Commenterrgw
As stated before, The TOUR is nothing more than entertainment, a circus if you will. Just like Barnum & Bailey. They move week to week and set up shop and become the main attraction in that locale for the week. The players are just like circus performers, working for large sums of money and gathering popularity with "death defying acts of courage', like hitting a juiced up sphere some 300 yards with a high-tech driver, or making a 15' foot on the last hole to win an event and talking about preserving the 'game'. Folks, it is just entertainment. . The TOUR does a lot of good things of course - they raise millions of dollars for deserving charities, while lining their own pockets as well as the player's. Not sure why we all get so wound up about the circus?! Or why we expect the TOUR to be something more than it is. As for Vijay, I don't think he gained anything in this deal. Both he and the TOUR lost some credibility unfortunately. I think there are bigger issues and there have been more serious breaches by players in the past. But the GC doesn't want to go there just like the TOUR doesn't want to go there. Remember, it is only entertainment - it is not going to change the world. Doug Barron did get the shaft!
Dover Pro, I like your characterization of the entity! I also liked your suggestions on the Tour taking on their own rule-making responsibilities. All makes perfect sense.

How many of you that are mad about the proper decision rendered on Vijay's situation will turn off the TV and refuse watch a minute of THE PLAYERS CHAMPIONSHIP? Ghillie? John C? digger? Ryan? I bet the answer is zero ;)

Hawkeye, do you really believe Bubba is "homophobic"? Up front let me say I am no Bubba fan, think he has a screw loose, but...

This is how the Anti-Defamation League defines homophobia: "Homophobia is the hatred or fear of homosexuals - that is, lesbians and gay men - sometimes leading to acts of violence and expressions of hostility. Homophobia is not confined to any one segment of society, and can be found in people from all walks of life. Organized hate groups have viciously attacked homosexuals and have used especially violent language in attempting to persecute and intimidate them."

Clearly Bubba is Thumper Extraordinaire and his religious beliefs lead him to take the other side of the Jason Collins trade...but just because he doesn't agree with Jason's choice/beliefs does that make him a homophobic? Or is it analogous to the situation with Ted Bishop where he's by definition a buffoon since he opposes the anti-anchoring decree?

What Bubba did was tweet at Chris Broussard in support. What Broussard did is laid out in clear fashion here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2013/04/30/espn-supports-broussard-after-controversial-jason-collins-comments/

Is Bubba a dumbass? Sure appears to be! Is he consumed with hatred for those who think differently than him? I doubt it.

I bet Rickie Fowler feels the same way but is smart enough to keep his mouth shut on the topic. Before anyone starts in on me keep in mind I live in the heart of the village and love it, love my neighbors, and encourage everyone to do exactly what makes them happy! If anyone wants to head over to The Stonewall for a couple beers and some pool count me in!
05.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
Would be interesting to see what The Bubba would have to say if his son grows up wanting everything to be the color of daddy's driver.
05.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterRLL
RLL, I hope a reporter asks him that exact question.
05.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
I do, too, although I fear he'd embarrass himself further by answering he'd just take the boy out for a little rough ride in his confederate flag muscle car.
05.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterRLL
#bellylaugh ;0)
05.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
I want to continue to like Bubba, and because I can have tolorence (sp) for those who cannot, I will watch him, when he is on, but, I find the use of a forgiving God as some reason for bigotry to be genuinely disingenuine. )sp)

No one WANTS to get pickd on. Gay people deserve happiness as much as as anyone. We are all God's chillin.
05.1.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
@digsouth--- it's Darius Rucker. Wouldn't really call him faux country, unless you want to label all of that type of country as astray from country music's roots (wouldn't argue that too much). Saw him back at the REAL Carolina back in my grad school days when Hootie was just getting started. He's a true believer in the country music thing, and not doing it for money, imo. He could have made more, I think, by churning out more pop as a solo singer. Anyway, nothing to do with golf...

Looked for Bubba's tweet and it looks like he took it down. Another reason why I have very little use for Twitter. Life is not a140-character pursuit. Just sayin'... :)
05.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterPete the Luddite
<<Life is not a140-character pursuit>>

Amen to that, Pete. Unless it's something that's the result of years of education, concentration, and practice -- like haiku... or putting...
05.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterRLL
Twits sending out tweets
short message with no meaning
a big waste of time

a hakiu by Pete the Luddite :)
05.1.2013 | Unregistered CommenterPete the Luddite

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