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Saturday
Sep142013

Tiger Defiant: "I felt like the ball oscillated and that was it.

Doug Ferguson reports on Tiger's post-BMW Championship third round chat with the media.

Woods posted a 66 and lurks four back of Jim Furyk.

"As I said, from my vantage point, I thought it just oscillated and that was it," Woods said Saturday after shooting a 5-under 66 at Conway Farms. "They replayed it again and again and again. And I felt the same way."

Slugger White, vice president of competition for the PGA Tour, said Woods did not take the penalty easily.
"He was a little disbelieving. How's that?" White said Friday.

Woods did not argue with that description.

"I was pretty hot because I felt like nothing happened," Woods said. "I felt like the ball oscillated and that was it. I played the rest of the round grinding my tail off to get myself back in the tournament, and then go from five to seven behind. That was tough."

"We had a very good discussion," he said. "I'll end it at that."

Ferguson goes on to review Tiger's day with good buddy Sergio and Tiger's run-ins with the rules this year.

There was also this in Brian Wacker's PGATour.com account that got me thinking:

He wasn't issued that penalty until the following morning and began his round four shots back instead of just two. He went on to finish fourth.

"At Augusta after going through it on Saturday morning, yeah, I did take the wrong drop," Woods said. "But (Friday) I didn't feel like I did anything. I moved the pine cone right behind my ball. I feel like the ball oscillated, and I just left it. That's not -- evidently it wasn't enough."

Can anyone recall a player not agreeing with the rules staff's video interpretation of a situation in the HD era? I can't at the moment but I'm sure there has been one, though never as high-profile as this.

Considering Woods was on top of the ball while the camera was 20 or so yards away. And considering the PGA Tour loves to tout how their players willingly call penalties on themselves, this is certainly unprecedented in some respects. I'm just wondering if it's also unprecedented in the player defiance division?

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Cheat AND Deny.

Never forget denial.

It works with today's media.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterEldroids
We need a golf Warren Commission on this one. Many hereabouts won't be happy until Tiger agrees to be cross-examined by the Breck-girl-Inspector-Javert, Brandel Chamblee. He at least has the moral bona fides for the job, right?
09.14.2013 | Unregistered Commentertlavin
Every time is see the link on the right side column of the Shackleford webpage "Cheat Sheet: What you need to know for Sunday in golf" - I keep pausing.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterCam
Pretty clear movement in my opinion. Tiger either needs glasses or to look up the word "oscillate" in the dictionary
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterPhil Casey
"At Augusta after going through it on Saturday morning, yeah, I did take the wrong drop,"

Was there some mea culpa I missed?
09.14.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdbh
Looked at the video, and the ball DID move, not much, but it wan't an oscillation where the ball went back where it was. Agree? Looks clear enough to me
09.14.2013 | Unregistered Commenterdd
I've never perceived Woods as win-at-all-costs type, but that opinion is quickly beginning to change after this incident. The arrogance he continued to show despite such overwhelming evidence after the fact is incredible. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt initially, as in maybe he did think the ball simply oscillated in the heat of the moment. But to continue to assert that his ball didn't move after seeing the video reveals a serious integrity problem.

It's almost like he's convinced that these little nagging rules details don't apply to him. Very troubling. I hate to say this but he makes Michelle Wie's aloofness to the rules suddenly look competent.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterPA PLAYA
Judge -

A question. If someone in your courtroom used that video as evidence and said without question the ball did NOT move, wouldn't they lose a great deal of credibility in your eyes? I can understand that Tiger may not have seen the ball move in real time, but after watching that video for several times I just can't see how anyone can say it DOESN'T move.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterRickABQ
Clearly Tiger does not "know" the rules of golf as well as he thinks he does. How many times this year could he have avoided a penalty by just taking a minute and calling in a rules official. At least he could then get the assistance he clearly needs. His caddy does not seem to know the rules either. At Augusta he was bailed out by the rules committee, but they should have just consulted with him before he signed his card. The difference between a ball moving and a ball oscillating is significant. Tiger is using the term "oscillation" loosely and as his personal crutch. Just man up and admit your wrong once in a while, we will forgive you for making a mistake!
09.14.2013 | Unregistered Commenterbshanknc
By the video, it moved. By real life? Who knows. In France, was it Inbee who called a penalty on herself that even the camera didn't see? I'm willing to believe Tiger's version of whatever he saw, but the video looks clear. Having defended clients in line-ups, I'll just say that people see what they believe.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterThe O
George Castanza once said: "Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it"
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterPress Agent
When people are debating an "oscilation" vs. a movement of a small fraction of an inch I think the rules of golf are the issue, not the eyesight of people. There has to be a better way to maintain the integrity of the game while getting rid of some of the absurd rules of golf.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDaveAndrews
Well, it's pretty clear the ball half-oscillated. Of course, the half-oscillation was down, due to gravity, not sideways/back-and-forth due to rocking. According to my physical chemistry from some deeply repressed dark memory, it was theoretically possible for the ball to move back up if every atom in that Nike decided to move/vibrate in the up direction at the same time. Tiger must have imagined that part of the physics of oscillation. Look, everyone here has had this happen when trying to rid the ball of a loose impediments, and a millimeter is as good, or bad, as a meter. The only golfers who fail to understand this are those who have never played a round with his scorecard card in someone else's pocket. And everyone of us can tell if the ball moves a dimple's worth and doesn't return to its original position. That is all.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
no way he breaks Jacks records, NO WAY
09.14.2013 | Unregistered Commenterty
Just when I think I couldn't like this guy any less, he goes and pulls a stunt like this one. His arrogance is just off the charts. An honest player is going to call it on himself if he even suspects the ball MIGHT have moved. Chamblee pointed out the usual procedure among pros is to tell your fellow competitor what happened -- in this instance Tiger should have told his playing partner the ball oscillated. But he didn't even do that. From the video of the incident it looked to me like Tiger could have thought he and his actions were out of sight of everyone. I'm sure he was surprised to find HD video of the incident after the round. It all comes back to his complete arrogance and that includes the obvious fact he holds no respect for his fellow players, the rules officials or the game itself. To deny the obvious, as he has done this time, is simply beyond anything I have ever seen in this game. He is not the number one player in golf. He is the number one mockery of everything golf is about.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterTroglodyte
I'm somewhere in between the two sides here (yes, it is possible).

Woods is clearly wrong here. There's zero chance you can look at the replay and claim it was oscillation. Zero. But, I don't think his defiance means that the guy who purposely cheated and tried to get away with it.

Anyone that wants to come on a golf blog and question his intent, particularly those pointing to his "indiscretions" as a "see I told you moment!", are just flat clueless.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterChicago John
I'm sure some of these guys would rather be elk hunting (or kite surfing or lawn bowling or drinking in a canoe) but they've got the opportunity to win 10 MILLION BUCKS! And here's this jerk, off in the trees, behaving like Ted Knight. If any of them had a single testicle they'd say something and put him in his place. But instead they remain silent and leave it to Brandel Chamblee, the world's least interesting man.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered Commenterhighside
Well thank goodness for Chicago John. We can now all go home and stop contributing our opinion. We are all "flat clueless".
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterChako Higuchi
If the movement was downward, as KLG suggests, TW may not have perceived that movement as more than oscillation. At what point does the player lose the ability to make a judgement call? I'd suggest it's when another person is watching, not when a TV camera is away. This HD slo mo stuff is inhuman in its ability to observe and I do not believe it is what golfers had in mind when the rules made the distinction between moving and merely oscillating.

I may be wrong.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterF. X. Flinn
Highside, the funniest post I ave seen in a while. The Ted Knight thing you made me choke on my beer.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterNubi
Geoff -

To answer your question, yes, there has been at least one instance of a player going all parallel universe on a rules official when faced with plain video evidence. Jeong Jang had a double hit in the third round of the United States Women's Open in 2006. So much so that Johnny Miller blurted out "double hit" immediately. She denied it in the face of repeated replays and almost got away with it, until Mike Davis finally put his foot down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG0qfI8syG0
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterMichael Moore
The rules need to be changed. How about one cannot touch anything within 1 ft of the ball. Play the ball as it lies, twigs and all.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterVwgolfer
Wow, lots of folks who don't usually post coming out of the woodwork to comment on Tiger. Who would have thunk it.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterHilltop
Tiger obviously used oscillate as an excuse, obfuscation (fancy lie). The ball rotated about an eight of an inch. That means it moved. Tiger knows it moved, and he knows that oscillation is not penalized. So he called it oscillation - the only possible way to admit movement and attempt to stay within the rules
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterJoe Hacker
FX, On the course? Yes, we can see someone thinking it oscillated. But even after watching on the replay? Come on. Slugger and Dennis are the utmost professional type guys. It's a slam dunk it moved.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterChako Higuchi
Could Tiger have possibly called for a second opinion from say.....Fred Ridley???
09.14.2013 | Unregistered Commenterol Harv
And here's a new rule regarding penalties.

"Only the player, playing partners, caddies and rules officials shall be allowed to bring attention to possible rules violations".
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterHilltop
It is completely absurd for grown men to be standing over a golf ball trying to determine if it moved a fraction of an inch. But here is the real issue: if the rules of golf would allow small movements, where would the line be drawn? At an inch? At a half inch? Strict enforcement of absolutely no movement is the only possible real answer.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterJoe Hacker
Michael Moore, the Jeong Jang double hit in the third round of the United States Women's Open in 2006 should have been more that a double. She swept that ball up the grassy slope. Maybe a dozen..
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterJoe Hacker
Tiger is a lot like Bashar al Assad.

Both move the needle.

Both prefer to resort to denial in the face of overwhelming evidence.

And here we thought he might emulate Mandela or Gandhi someday. giggle.
Golf now has its Zapruder film.

In future years if there is any debate about the professional character and honour of Old P0rn Dog, just run the tape of the 1st hole at Conway Farms.

It will keep telling the same story every time, into time immemorial.
The video is damning.

Disgraceful. There is no latitude for a benefit of the doubt on this one. He cheated.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterAbu Dhabi Golfer
michelle wie in Hawaii grounding her club in a water hazard
09.14.2013 | Unregistered Commenterweakgrip
I think this is all an indication of where Tigers career is at right now.I used to feel he was very respectful of the rules and officials but I sense an element of desperation creeping in now.I don't believe this would have happened pre fire hydrant.I also believe that zero tolerance is the only way with this rule - if not where is ok and where is not? if the ball changes position you are gone.
09.14.2013 | Unregistered CommenterChico
Player of the year? and with three known questionable or wrong handling of the rules in top events. Voting will be interesting.
09.15.2013 | Unregistered CommenterPABoy
It's pretty funny reading all the comments from folks appalled by his actions and statements; I am positive that you all have made the correct ruling every single time.... I completely agree with Tiger and here's why; this video is not from his viewpoint and the motion does not appear until the video is slowed down and zoomed in. These rules are what turn 95% of people away from golf. The ball moved 1mm and his lie actually got worse; from his view and in real time with the naked eye, it appeared to oscillate and not change position. Yet, because he's Tiger Woods, this is captured on video and scrutinized by officials multiple times when they are consciously looking for a violation. Are you kidding me? If the PGA wants to continue allowing rulings like this, a video team needs to be with every player and every single shot reviewed by a group of officials in real time. I also like how there are some here that apparently can read minds and know exactly what Tiger was thinking ; you all must be pretty famous having an amazing attribute such as that......
09.15.2013 | Unregistered CommenterHoush
@Housh, I agree there's a very good chance that from his point of view, when trying to move the loose impediment, the ball may have appeared to only oscillate. However, to view the tape and then still hold to that opinion is...I don't know, dumb?
09.15.2013 | Unregistered Commentermeefer
That is the point Meefer. Once Tiger saw the video, he should have held his hands up and said he was wrong. Remember when Harrington got done in this way and DQ'ed ? Now, they review it and add 2 strokes. Tiger is in a corner and he knows it.

For all those "fans" who claim people who don't like Woods are haters should consider this; It's not his skill. He is an amazing golfer. It's his additude. He doesn't care about his fellow pros. He doesn't care about the real golf fans. Does he compete harder than Nicklaus did, just because he wants to squash the opposition ? No. It is possible to compete 1,000% and with grace when you lose. Nicklaus did. Federer and Nedal do.
I wonder if he has helped any fellow pro like Stricker helped him with his putting ? I'd be surprised. If Woods has any class left he should apoligise to everyone after the way he reacted after seeing the video. But he won't. Winning is all that matters.
09.15.2013 | Unregistered CommenterEasingwold
Reminds me of a child getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar and defiantly saying "No I didn't" over and over again.

As a pro golfer, he should be madder and more concerned about airmailing the green w/ a wedge and or short iron than the penalty itself. Those are supposed to used as accuracy tools not baseball bats.
09.15.2013 | Unregistered Commenterjohnnnycz
Johnny, that's probably the root of his anger. He is beginning to understand he can't dominate like he used to.
09.15.2013 | Unregistered CommenterEasingwold

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