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"TPC Sawgrass greens in rough shape week before Players"

Last year it was Quail Hollow, this year some of the TPC Sawgrass greens are in less than perfect shape heading into The Players The PLAYERS. Rex Hoggard took a tour and posted this item, with more details apparently coming tomorrow on Morning Drive.

From Hoggard's report:

Nos. 4, 9, 11, 12 and 14 were “negatively impacted by (a) misapplication of a product to help manage density and root development during the colder, winter period,” according to a memo that was posted on a Tour-players only website on March 27.

The Tour spokesman declined to comment at this time.

Nearly two weeks of warm, dry conditions have helped the greens recover, but the putting surfaces at Nos. 4, 9, 11 and 12 continue to show damage and the grass plugs used to replace turf.

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I played here in mid-February and some of the greens were quite thin. 11 and 12 I noticed it the worst and they are mentioned here. Not a great deal for the course and the tournament.
04.29.2014 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Moore
I suppose conditions here at the 2014 Players are NOT PERFECT.

Overuse of the word PERFECT, thanks NBC and CBS golf coverage teams.

So they have to play in less than 'perfect' conditions, so does everybody else who supports the game.
Oh the horror! Maybe they can move it to Rio.
04.29.2014 | Unregistered Commentercottriab
It's OK, Tiger's not playing
04.29.2014 | Unregistered CommenterBillV
meh. It's a little funny the Ponte Vedra police let this happen to their premiere event. The Players use to be an interesting golf tournament. Why I am not interested or excited about it anymore? The date change you think?
04.29.2014 | Unregistered CommenterEric V
Tough break on the greens, but the May date is superior in every way to March.
04.29.2014 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
Superior for who other than Tim, BrianS? Ticket sales better, check. Date between majors like it is one, check. Golf course there for the taking, check. I know, that's his job but May turns into a hot, muggy, buggy and fairly windless month. The golf was better in cooler temps with the elements involved. Just my opinion worth $.02
04.30.2014 | Unregistered CommenterD. maculata
So how much was climate-related and how much is "misapplication" related?

I'm not ignoring how difficult it is to maintain tour-quality greens, I'm sure there are a ton of things that a super and his staff have to get absolutely correct to have their greens up to normal tour standards leading up to the event. It's a stressful tightrope that these guys walk every year an event is hosted, and their successes and failures are sometimes influenced by the severity of Mother Nature.

That said... the greens at Doral looked fine. No problems at Bay Hill, nor Jack's course at the Honda from what I could tell. You've got the marquee event of the year from an organizational standpoint, you've got a huge budget to work with, and it would seem that the weather a few miles north or south of there didn't have much of an influence on the quality of greens conditions at those neighboring tournaments held just a month or so earlier. So while I don't want to throw the super under the bus, I just don't see Mother Nature carrying the brunt of the blame here.

But at the end of the day, all of the players will play under the same conditions and while I can understand the frustrations as a competitive player who quite often plays in tournaments on greens that are far from tour-quality standards, I'd rather not hear a lot of complaining going on. And I doubt that there will be, with exception of a few and we generally know who they are long before they ever log onto their twitter accounts.
04.30.2014 | Unregistered CommenterPA PLAYA
The important question is, when discussing the condition of the greens, are they better than most?
04.30.2014 | Unregistered CommenterPat(another one)
Itttttts PAT! +1
04.30.2014 | Unregistered Commentersmails
If FL weather is lke Texas, the difference n PV greens and the others mentioned could be drastically affected. I lived on a street in Austin, on the hill side, whee I could see hail across the street and it was barely sprinklng at our house.

8 new roofs across the street; zero on our side. Point being that Mama N probably had more say than the GK on the greens.
04.30.2014 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
You can't compare weather in Northeast Florida to Miami or even Orlando. Totally different beasts.

That said, if Augusta National could survive an ice storm and bad winter, Sawgrass should with its budget and staff. If they were really concerned, they should have cut way back on tee times or closed the place entirely. Offering guests a round with five temporary greens is appalling. Friends told me that players got no break on the rate but did get a pro shop credit. Whoopee.
04.30.2014 | Unregistered CommenterJohn
It will be interesting to see if this influences the hole locations during the tournament. I wouldn't want to be the greens staff at a TPC course because the hype is almost impossible to meet. As for the players they will have to adjust a little but if thegreens are smooth the color won't matter. Fast-bumpy is not good for anyone. I am also happy I didn't plan my bucket list trip there for this April. Maybe they can use 15 inch cups on the worst greens.
04.30.2014 | Unregistered Commentermunihack
Course is easy to maintain. Only excuse is negligence. Worked there 10 years, no problems. Bring back Fred Klauk, the former super intendent.
05.1.2014 | Unregistered CommenterMP
Heard from an insider at tour Hq, that it was indeed a mistaken application and not weather that caused the damage. This is the Commish's baby and he went boilstic upon hearing the news. He may have issued an NBA type lifetime ban for that employee. Finchem is obsessed with this tournament since it is run by the tour and is constantly trying to catch up with how well run the other boys run their showcase event ( USGA with the US Open and the PGA of America with the Championship and the Ryder Cup). The skim milk PGA Tour version of Ryder Cup, the Presidents Cup is a clear example of the Tour getting into an area where they fall short in spades to these superior events.
05.4.2014 | Unregistered CommenterCap daddy
I am wondering what is the % of PGA Tour Players making par from the rough from 100 yds out or less. We have a junior player who is pretty good and he says he would rather play from the rough from inside a 100 yds because he can use a lesser club. What do you think?
07.3.2014 | Unregistered CommenterRichard Osborne

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