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Sunday
Jul202014

Tom Watson Has More FedExCup Points Than Tiger Woods

Dave Shedloski watched Tiger Woods Sunday at Hoylake and while Woods completed his first full tournament since March, the 6-over 294 aggregate total left Woods needing to play well in his next to events just to make the FedExCup playoffs. The Ryder Cup?

Shedloski writes:

But Watson was clear that Woods is not an "automatic pick." He repeated the assertion that Woods would have to be healthy and playing well. Watson, who closed with a 68, was not aware that Woods was struggling a few groups behind him. "Well that isn't good," Watson said when told that Woods was, at the time, eight shots higher on the day than the 64-year-old Watson.
"He's not in the mix. He needed to get in the mix to get some points, to get some money and get in the FedExCup," Watson said. "That was what I was hoping he was doing this week."

Mark Tallentire has more in The Guardian on Tiger's Ryder Cup prospects, Watson's comments about Mickelson and Woods' assertion that his situation is similar to when Corey Pavin picked him for Celtic Manor.

Watson has to submit his three names in the first week of September and, with the 2013 Open champion Phil Mickelson also struggling in the rankings, the USA captain will face an anxious few weeks either side of the US PGA Championship.

“Everybody is thinking that I’m going to pick them automatically,” he added. “I can assure you that I’m not going to pick them automatically. I said about Tiger that I’ll pick him if he’s playing well and he’s in good health. And Phil is the same way. If he’s playing well, how can you not pick those two?”

After his final round 68, the 64-year-old Watson moved to 210th in FedExCup points while Woods sits at 214th.

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He's played better!
He has to pick him. The pressure will be enormous on Captain Tom to include him. He moves the needle.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterJPC
But I'm sure Tiger will play better on that Nicklaus abomination than on any silly links course.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterPasaplayer
I won't pretend to know anything, but Tom Watson was quite critical of Tiger the person after the scandal broke. My though is that if Tiger's play doesn't dramatically improve, Captain Tom has set the paramaters to not select Tiger and may not lose a bit of sleep over it.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterJeff
What Jeff said. And the only sleep I'll lose over it is getting up early to watch.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterPasaplayer
Don't know if it will matter...we look like a distinct underdog right now.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered Commenterjjshaka
Who will be applying pressure on Tom Watson to pick Tiger?
Do you think he is too weak a character to resist?

Also, if Tiger Woods doesn't play will the Ryder Cup ratings be dramatically lower?

They certainly won't be impacted in Europe by his presence, or lack thereof.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterStiggy
I take him at his word. He's telling both men to play some events and show some form. Their reputations will take care of the rest.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered Commenterhighside
2006- -14
2014- on a softer course +6.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered Commenterv60golfer
The question for the wild card picks is who gets bumped from the point T-12. You might remember Tom stating that he almost wished that their were no captains pics, so that all spots are "earned". I don't agree - I think hot new guys and guys with injury or older guys that add to the team are all good reasons for a Captains pic. With the results from the Open included , here is the list :

Bubba
Walker
Fowler
Furyk
DJ
Speith
Kuchar
Duffner -
Zach - All 9 of these are in by the points

10 - Reed
11 - Phil
12 - Brendon Todd

So if the pics had to be made today (and keep in mind, even though the points race ends after PGA, the "tryouts" for Captains pics extends into the FEDEX Cup events), not only do you have to reach down into the list, but someone above has to be bumped. I am guessing if it stands like that, Phil is in. Not only should he get a pic, he is in the Top 12. So put him down for 1.

To me, the top contenders below this are :

Webb - 15 MC at the Open
Keegan - 16, with a fairly impressive T-19 (better than most of the guys on the list)
Snedeker - 28 and fading. Did nothing at the Open other than making the cut.
Tiger

The other thing that could upset the list is if someone else not listed above comes out and wins one of the next 2 events, or even a Fedex event or 2. But I am guessing right now that Keegan gets the nod over Brendon Todd, and the decision is Tiger vs. Reed. Assuming Tiger plays ok at the PGA/WGC, and Reed continues his abysmal form (since Doral, he has missed 6 of 11 cuts, including Masters and British, and only one Top 20, at Congo), I don't have any problem with taking Tiger - Reed has no history at any team events as a Pro, and he is in the middle of a huge slump. If Tiger trends upwards at all, seems Watson should take him.

So
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
No matter who Watson picks, I hope the Euros will win in a route, similar to Oakland Hills.

Call it Justice for Larry Nelson.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered Commenterfyg
One more thing for what its worth - I was in Greensboro, NC last week, and their is a ton of (wishful thinking I believe) buzz that they might get Tiger there for the Wyndam if he was short on FEDEX points. Since the event is only 3 weeks away, the speculation is pretty high - so count the local businesses there as likely happy to see actually drop in the standings after the Open.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
I think it is highly unlikely that Tiger will play in enough events to earn any significant amount of points. This may well be the first Ryder Cup in the Tiger era where is is not on the team. Watson is the type that will not pick him just to satisfy the pundits.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterGreg B.
JPC

"F" the needle. Ask ESPN how their Tiger only broadcast went. He does not deserve it as of right now. If he earns it (without the help of alleged PED use), great. If he doesn't, shouldn't the most deserving player be picked? Would you like to be left off because he won a major over six years ago? Isn't that what sports are all about? Or is this figure skating?

How about a Fresca?
Either it's (they're) the Captain's Pick(s) and whoever he picks is 'most deserving' or the pick(s) is (are) based on some criteria (like the points list).
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Peterson
Greg - Tiger was not on the team last time the US won
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterLip Out
If for no other reason than he gives the Euros extra motivation, he should be left off the team if they (US) want to win. What is playing 'well enough?' Two top 5's in the next 10 events? Yikes.
If for no other reason than he gives the Euros extra motivation, he should be left off the team if they (US) want to win. What is playing 'well enough?' Two top 5's in the next 10 events? Yikes.
The likely Euro squad is pretty fearsome:

Rory
Stenson
Garcia
Rose
Kaymer
Duboussion
Donaldson
Bjorn (ok, not that fearsome)
Poulter
Maybe GMAC, Luke, Gallacher, Jiminiz, Westwood,

Pretty tough bunch
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
Wouldn't be surprised if Europe get 18 points in the RC
07.20.2014 | Unregistered Commenterfyg
BrianS - Fair analysis of the state of the US squad (places 10-12) and the Euro squad. Euros look deeper and in better form, but as the cliche goes, they don't play these matches on paper. Should be an entertaining exhibition.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterNC
The poobhas at the PGA of America would have gone with David Toms as captain if they wanted Old Porndog on the team at all costs.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterAbu Dhabi Golfer
Why would Watson pick Tiger when he's playing as badly as he is? Maybe Tiger's back isn't up to the stress, maybe it's his swing in general, maybe, maybe, maybe...regardless, he's playing poorly and unless he changes that I wouldn't want him on my team either.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered Commentermeefer
@Pasaplayer
Have you ever played that "Nicklaus abomination?"
I'd be willing to bet you've never stepped foot on it. It's NIcklaus' best course.
(And Tiger won't play better on it. He hasn't shot in the 60s on the weekend in a major since 2011. Unless he ditches Foley, he's cooked for good in major play.)
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterSimba
He played well and did not show his age. Tiger should win 2 tourneys this year.
07.20.2014 | Unregistered CommenterMike eliiot
It will be either Tiger or Phil getting picked as the last (12th) pick. Not both of them...rumour has it that Tom Watson banned pingpong in the team room (what about Corn-Hole?!!!?)....sooo. what will both of them do once their day of golf is over?


Capt Tom is more of a Snooker, Darts, and Skeet kindly guy IMO.
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterJohnnnycz
A great weekend for the Tiger haters.

But, don't write him off yet.
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterStanley Thompson
Watson picking Tiger for the Ryder Cup would be an insult to the next 10 players potentially under consideration. The level of denial practiced by Tiger fans at this point is starting to get absurd, it's not hate it's called reality testing.
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterBill V
@Stanley Thompson - the guy who wrote him off immediately after his playoff win against Rocco Mediate over six years ago is looking like a pure genius.
07.21.2014 | Unregistered Commentersgolfer
Getting so tired of the breathless Tiger "Will He or Won't He Win Another Major?" headlines (I largely just skim the articles now since they are all roughly the same). Why doesn't Tiger follow the most famous tagline ever developed for Nike?


Just. Do. It.


I'll be happy to pay attention at that point. But the scribes and wanna-be scribes like the clownish Travelin' Joe (e.g., From Tour Confidential last week about who he is picking: "Tiger Woods. If he's in the field, I'm picking him.") won't have anything to write if they actually have to go out and work for real stories instead of recycling Tiger stories, 24/7. As for the Ryder Cup, my guess is that he will be there, as the RC is merely an exhibition and eyeballs watching the tube/streaming are important. For most people on this site, they will pay attention to the RC whether Tiger is there or not, but for the casual fans they will not understand if Tiger isn't there as 70% of all golf stories in the mainstream press are about Tiger or at a minimum mention him significantly (just my guess on the %). He is the only golfer that many of them ever hear about. Tiger certainly doesn't seem like he is too injured to play, but does he have inside of him what it takes to say he hasn't earned his spot and that someone else should participate in his place? We will see, but I doubt it. Happy to be wrong.
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterRickABQ
At the risk of looking like someone who cares about the Ryder Cup...

Picking Mickelson when he is having his worst season as a full-time professional (I'm ignoring 1992) seems like a bad idea.
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Peterson
Good morning, Simba. A couple points: I've played Centenary and I disliked it immensely, all the more so because I had to give up another round on the King's or the Queen's to do so. My recommendation to anyone on their next visit to Gleneagles: skip it for another round on the others. Nicklaus' best course? I've no idea, just as I have little idea which Nicklaus' courses are truly "his" and which his staff's. Of those I've played, and I don't seek them out, I would say Dismal River is his best; it is certainly his most fun.
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterPasaplayer
@BrianS

Too bad the site won't accept an Excel spreadsheet.
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterAG
>>
the guy who wrote him off immediately after his playoff win against Rocco Mediate over six years ago is looking like a pure genius.
>>

Perhaps. However, in my experience, those who run around writing Tiger off have been doing so since he missed the cut at Winged Foot in 2006. Predicting the end of world might make one a genius for one day but it certainly makes one a lunatic for quite a few preceding days.

If 'Generic Pro' started his career in 2009 and had a record like this...

Regular Events (59 starts): 14 wins and $23.4M earnings (winning 30.5 cents of each possible dollar)
4 MC, 4 WD, 38 top-25s
Majors (19 starts): 0 wins, 1 second and $3.8M earnings (winning 15.1 cents of each possible dollar)
2 MC, 9 top10s

... he might get some consideration for 'best player w/o a major.' But, as Tiger Woods previously showed us what he was capable of he is written-off.

For historical comparison this is what Jack Nicklaus did between the 1980 PGA and 1986 Masters (yes, it's an unfair comparison due to age differences etc)
Regular Events (67 starts): 2 wins, 7 seconds, 2 thirds, 7 MC, 2 WD (won 17.4 cents of each possible dollar)
Majors: (20 starts): 0 wins, 1 second, 6 top-10s (won 13.9 cents of each possible dollar)
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Peterson
Absent a couple of wins between now and then I don't see how Captain Tom could possibly rationalize picking Tiger, nor do I expect him to. Captain Tom is just the right guy for the job because he has the balls to leave Tiger off the team...don't think the same could be said for any of the younger guys under consideration for the Captainship.
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterDTF
Nicklaus' best course!

The best speed skater in Libya
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterOffered
Tom Watson wants to win-back the Ryder Cup.
Most golfers want Watson to win-back the Ryder Cup.
Tiger Woods can't even best Tom Watson at The Open Championship.
Now at 216th, Tiger Woods doesn't even qualify for the Barclays and the Fed-Ex Cup playoffs.

Why pick someone who can only play for the next 4-5 PGA Tournaments,then has to sit-out the next 5-weeks of PGA competition before the Ryder Cup? Who has only played in two tournaments in the last 5-6 months? Who's only played in 5 PGATour events since December 2013 -- with only one top-25 to show for it?

Tiger just isn't worthy of a Captain's Pick this year.
**Tiger Woods previously showed us what he was capable of**

key word "previously" as in "TW *previously* showed us what he *previously* was capable of *once*, but no longer"

Meg Ryan *previously* was really cute. That Meg Ryan ain't coming back any faster than *That Tiger* is "coming back"
07.21.2014 | Unregistered Commenter-ahem-
The U.S. squad is looking so overmatched, they'll probably win.

I believe Kevin Na is naturalized citizen . . . if you want to get in the Euros' heads, pick him and pair him with Furyk. It'd drive them crazy.

It's drive us ALL crazy. But whatever it takes . . .

As a bonus, Na can play a little.
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterWillie
@ahem, care to guess who the earnings leader is post-2008 U.S. Open?
07.21.2014 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Peterson

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