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Please, enlighten us with your thoughts on Brooks Koepka, Erin Hills, the USGA, Fox or whatever else stood out about the 117th U.S. Open.

I'm finishing up a few Golfweek writing duties but look forward to your reactions.

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The course was a joke. -16? Are all the whiners happy now? If I weren't a golf but then why in the hell would I have watched this until the end?

Way too much yapping from Faxon et al. Shut up for a second.

Buck getting Koepka's gf wrong was the highlight of the tourney.
Hey CBS, NBC, & GOLF Channel,

We like to see shots. Golf shots. Lots of them. And not just by 2 guys. Many players hitting many shots, and putting.

We hate watching guys reading greens for 5 minutes each, or walking down the fairway, or 74 views from the blimp, or commentator's bad hair color jobs, or commercials every 5 minutes. No wonder ratings suck.

Thank you FOX. Buy another tourney broadcast contract... or 10.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterAl buddy
US Open pressure is unbelievably tough, but it's easier to handle when fairways are impossible to miss and you can free-wheel driver
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterMark
Definitely didn't feel like a US Open and I agree with the above comment. Faxon, be quiet
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBill
Golf at its finest caliber. Enough already about the easiness of the course, just ask Rory, DJ, JDay, and the others that didnt make the cut. Oh, and how about all those +5's and worse. Great to see the golf tournament being played in America's heartland. The USGA wants to grow the game and the viewing public want to see birdies and 300+ 3 woods into par 5's not players punching out from 6 inch rough. Loved the golf. The golf is in great shape and the staff at Erin Hills should be proud.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered Commenteraloha
Well done to the winner, but not a memorable tournament.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCraig
This venue proves that length is not as important as width. Narrow fairways are harder to deal with than 600 plus yards par fives. Go back to the old set ups and lower scores.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterSteve Shapiro
Was it my favorite US Open ever? Nope, not even close. Did I watch almost every moment of coverage and plan my schedule around it? Yep. While I prefer a winner much closer to even par in the US Open, all of the "stars" played the same course yet couldn't replicate what Harman, Fleetwood, Koepka, et al. did.

FOX is getting better but still a little too much talking. I thought Juli Inkster and Curtis Strange did a nice job on the course and liked the interviews afterwards with the Shane dude but could do without the constant parade of golf writers. Sorry Shack - if we wanted to hear from golf writers, we'll listen to The Shackhouse*!

*best golf podcast
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterSean
Great win for Koepka but I don't see how it can be argued that the fairways were not too wide. I don't know how many times there was a shot where the player looked like they came out of the shot and the tracer showed what looked like a banana slice only to see the ball land in the fairway sometimes easily in the fairway. For me that is not US Open golf. If this place ever gets another major the fescue needs to be thinner and the fairways need to be way, way narrower.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterGriffin
Usga may like this facility but too many blind shots; give me the traditional old courses that put a premium on driving and not trying to hit it off the windmill- fox was better but still a long way to go-
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCamish
That was a heckuva PGA championship Koepke won today. Chapeau!
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterMDM
The even par, sure whatever, but not at the expense of removing strategy by narrowing fairways like Merion.

Par is meaningless number btw.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterDon
I played the second round of a tournament today and people wanted to talk about two things: (1) How far Justin Thomas hits his 3-wood, and (2) Holly Sonders in that white dress yesterday evening.

Other than that, a Bomber beat a Mini-Bomber because the latter missed a couple of shortish putts coming in while the former made like Billy Casper.

Course looks like it would be fun when played from the proper tees, but that email I got the other day telling me Wisconsin is the new British Isles when it comes to golf destinations? Nah, not really.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
Seems like the majority of people who post want to see carnage. I want to see great golf. The course is set up like the courses of the British Isles...nature created the course and nature impacts the play of the course. This week only 6-8 hours on Sunday gave us the conditions that make this course US Open "worthy". Unfortunately, the rain took some of the wind's bite away. That's the way it goes. People complain when the USGA tricks up a course to get to level par. Then the same people complain when this week happens. How about you just sit back and enjoy great golf. It's a great course and will get the US Open again in 27 or 28. They'll probably narrow the fairways a touch but then leave it up to Mother Nature again, the way golf was originally played.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterGreg H
No surprise a bomber won on a 7600+ course. Harman is one tough cookie for a small guy and was right there until Koepka 1 putted everything coming in.

Felt like a regular tour event.

USGA very misaligned organization and it's problems are showing up everywhere.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterPaul
Fairways and greens still work, especially when you make a few putts.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterConvert
The weakness of the venue was reflected in the leaderboard -- the numbers and the names. Koepka deserved the win, but it felt more like a regular Tour event than a US Open. I applaud the USGA for trying some new venues, but I'm also glad they'll be heading back to classic courses for a while (Torrey excluded).
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterRinger
Weakness? I didn't see any weakness on that leaderboard. The firm of Johnson Day & McIlroy had a weak week, though, while a bunch other 20-somethings stood up.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
I didn't find any of the holes at Erin Hills to be noteworthy or memorable. They pretty much all looked the same. Not sure about having unplayable fescue. It should be wispy like in the UK. Fox regressed this year. Too much chatter from Faxon, too much negativity from Azinger, on-course announcers underused, Holly Sonders an embarrassment. No leaderboards beyond the top 5 or 6 players, no distance-to-hole graphics, cameras cannot follow ball flight. Would love this to return to NBC.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterGreg B.
@Greg H...... Great post. For people that always hang of the concept of par when it's completely irrelevant when low score wins Matsuyamas 2nd place score (276) was the same as DJ's winning score @ Oakmont. The USGA played the event as a par 72 which is going to distort the under par numbers by 8 shots over the par 70 setups that the USGA mostly uses in the US Open.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterOWGR Fan
classic courses are irrelevant if you want to see the pros hit drivers.
The equipment has passed the classics by.
Erin Hills was great to watch, and those who think it's too easy-go play it.
Enjoy Merion etc. while you can-classics will continue to fall off the rota unless equipment reigned in-unless we want to determine who drives it best with a four iron.....
a pity
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJeff Warne
Come back +5 as the winning score, all is forgiven.
The only upside is much like Chambers Bay , Erin Hills will be consigned to the ash heap of crappy Open courses.
Shinnecock and Winged Foot can't happen soon enough,
06.18.2017 | Unregistered Commenterjjshaka
I felt it was boring and ended as I expected 4 hour earlier. I don't think I have ever had less interest in playing a course that hosted the US Open/.
The greens seemed pedestrian. Every putt seemed to have a cup or less of break. I know there were a few that were challenging. But not many. Once they learned to stay out of the deep stuff the course had little defense.
I thought Fox did a pretty dam good job with the production.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterZilla
One more question and I'll shut up: If we didn't see ANGC every year and the Old Course every 5 years, how many "memorable" holes would they have, for the television viewer?
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
Just your standard John Deere Classic. As a U.S. Open a boring bust. Hopefully Erin Hills is one and done. Sick of dullards making the "ask Rory and Jason how easy it was argument. What idiocy! They miss cuts at regular tour stops and that's exactly what this played like.... which is exactly why it was a forgettable major. Congrats to Brooks but the USGA needs to leave Erin Hills in the rear view mirror and never look back. Also to Don claiming Merion is a course that removes strategy: what are you smoking? You honestly find more strategy in the bomb, bomb, putt of Erin Hills than the precision play (you know, golf) required at tighter (and what isn't) courses?
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterDrBunsenHoneydew
I'm not sure the wide fairways were the issue with the low scores. Pinehurst #2 has giant fairways, but good luck getting it close or even holding the green if you aren't in the right part of the fairway relative to the flagstick.

It was the rain in my opinion. Don't kill the course for that.
Felt like I was watching a regular weekly PGA bomb and putt tour event. Didn't seem like a us open at all. Plus you could hardly tell there was even a crowd there. Nobody in the media addressed what most golf fans are thinking about this venue.
I think Mike Davis and the USGA nerds need to leave well enough alone and stop with these gimicky set ups. This and chamber bay were both awful. They are diluting our national championship.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterD.C.Mockers
Patches: Can't just write it off as rain. Not only were the fairways a mile wide the bunkering was ridiculously easy to avoid. Before Brooks' blast (3rd blast of the hole) out of the bunker on whatever par 5 that was (all the holes tended to run together) what was the last sand shot shown on the broadcast? Was there one? The bunkers gave the course a slight bit of visual interest but, outside of on the par 3s, they were a complete non-factor. Complete paper giant, this course.

Also, to KLG: at St. Andrews? really? pretty much all of them. Come on, man
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterDrBunsenHoneydew
Fox was okay - some classic Buck awkwardness and whatever Holly Saunders was wearing being low points. They are getting better year after year and I enjoy Azinger and Faxon, even if they do talk a little too much. Flesch and Strange are excellent.

I enjoyed watching these guys challenge a modern course that had some teeth cut out by rain and little wind. The final top 20 is almost an even mix of bombers (Koepka, JT, Holmes, Fowler, Matsuyama) and a bunch of pretty short hitters (Reed, Harman, Haas, Snedeker). The fairways were a tad too wide and the fescue a tad too long, but it's totally dishonest to say it was 'easy'. The guys who drove it straight enough did well, which is always the case for a US Open. DJ, Day, and Mcilroy couldn't control their huge drives and ended up with huge scores. I can't be the only one that hates watching traditional US Open rough with cart-path thin fairways where guys hit good drives that trickle into chop-out rough. This played more like an Open or a PGA Championship and I think that's for the better. Say what you will about Erin Hills but it was fun to watch. I thought the par 3 ninth was quite memorable, as were some of the back 9 holes. The 15th green complex was beautiful on TV and looked just brutal.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered Commenterjly
Ok Dr. Bunsen. Add in little wind. That took most of the uncertainty out of avoiding the fairway bunkers or taking really aggressive lines over the fescue.
KLG nailed it - Course wasn't really memorable other than 2 outstanding Saturday performances:
(1) How far Justin Thomas hits his 3-wood, and (2) Holly Sonders in that white dress yesterday evening.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered Commentergg
I agree with those who said Faxon was too "yappy". I would love to see the statistics of how much airtime he used as compared to far more accomplished and/or better articulated golf analysts.

Erin Hills is fine, but for that to be this country's major championship, it looked too European to me.

One major positive was the chatter FOX was able to pick with golfers and/or caddies.

All in all, CBS and NBC still have the best analysts and better production of major tournaments.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJamie Chilton
Patches: there was a little wind today and low scores were still out there and bunkers were still completely avoidable. What you're basically saying is for this venue to have anything going for it it would have required absolutely perfect weather conditions. To that I'd say the course itself would have still been completely forgettable, albeit with somewhat higher scores.

Don: If that was your takeaway from Merion then I don't know that I can help you. I'd suggest maybe the Remax Long Drive Championship would be more to your viewing pleasure than real championship golf.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterDrBunsenHoneydew
Dr. Honeydew, what is memorable about the 6th hole at the Old Course? To a television viewer every 5 years and not to someone who has walked or played TOC 5 or more times?
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
Was fine - uninspired but ok. Shame none of the worlds best showed up, but on the other hand - cool, sorry you knuckleheads couldn't figure it out. I'd be ok with the Open coming back in 20 years.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterDovegolfer
I thoroughly enjoyed FOX for the 2nd straight year. They didn't seem to struggle covering the leaders even when there were ten or so
players near the lead. Compare that to cbs who seems to be lost when they have to cover more than two players in contention. I give Faxon and others a pass for their excessive talking due to fact that they had little to no fluff in the broadcasts and showed slot of golf shots. The other networks(especially cbs) should follow suit and focus on showing us more golf shots and less players walking between shots and reading greens for five minutes. I would dump that Shane guy, Sanders and Clarke for next year.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterKyleU
I actually thought that Fox took a step backwards with this telecast. How many times did we see Fox cameramen waving their cameras looking for balls hit off a tee? Faxon is horrendous. Azinger makes me want to beg Fox for another voice to be given more time so that there's less Azinger. Joe Buck is flatly the worst telecast host in all of golf.

Fox has done a few nice things. It is admirable, how they keep trying to incorporate shotlink in watchable ways. Kudos to Fox for bringing in Juli Inkster. As for Ken Brown; I like Ken Brown. But there was something about he was mic'ed; people I know who were watching could not understand him. They wanted to know where he was from. Ken's a bit mumbly sometimes, I admit, but he is not a lost cause.

It says something about the quality of Fox golf coverage, that Curtis Strange used to be a bit of a drag on ABC telecasts, but he is nearly the single-handed savior of Fox broadcasts.

If we are headed to an era in which Dustin Johnson and Brooks Koepka are the dominant players, I will need to find some more books on architecture. I'll be able to work on my own game on Sundays.

Seven straight majors, with first time winners. After a longer stretch, from 2010 to 2012, of first-time winners. A weird time in golf.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterChuck
All those complaining about Erin Hills will get their wishes met in the next few years. I'm not going to defend it, but the USGA did get unlucky with the lack of wind and the rain to soften the course. All in all it was a very forgettable major championship... Lucas Glover at Bethpage-esque.
I'm assuming our host will touch on this takeaway, but the USGA showed us how out of control the golf ball had gotten. A 7800 yard course w 20 mph winds was still gettable. Think the guys in 1995 equipment would've even been under par? I highly doubt it.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterChicago John
Channel 706 was vacant. Don't know why there was no Holly Sonders feature channel
06.18.2017 | Unregistered Commenterajlfour
Fox was much improved despite the inarticulate Zinger, who must have turned pro before the 7th grade. He just sounds and says dumb things over and over AND stop saying 'gots' !
Faxon sounded tired ... Buck improved. Ken Brown should be moved to 18th tower , he would be great. Inkster is do much better than Dot ' I'm not hot' Pepper. Fox is much better than poorly produced and talent lacking CBS.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCouples

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