"It's time to sit on the porch with a corn-cob pipe and a Bud."

Kevin Robbins talks to Lee Trevino about an assortment of topics, from retirement to the Champions Tour departing Oak Hills.

"Never boring, this course," Trevino said. 'There's no more of this. They're not building this anymore."

Like many players of his generation, Trevino prefers short but strategic holes. They require more discipline than length.

Advances in equipment technology have helped him hit the ball farther and straighter. But those advances have had another effect.

Golf courses are getting longer as a result of longer clubs and balls.

New courses typically exceed 7,000 yards. Even older courses that have room to grow are retrofitted with new tees that bloat the yardage on the scorecard.

Oak Hills has no such room. It's become one of the few 6,700-yard courses on a tour rotation.

"Everything comes to an end," Trevino said, sounding as sentimental as sensible. "But I'm also sentimental for the tournament," he added, "and our sponsors."