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Thursday
Dec172009

"If we play with a golf ball that is 10 percent rolled back and we used to hit it 300 yards, now we're hitting it 270 yards. Well, fans that come to a tour event are not going to be impressed by that."

Phil Mickelson's comments to E. Michael Johnson about equipment in the new Golf World prove short-sighted and frankly, disappointing.

What do you think of two sets of rules on equipment?

I believe it is our job to entertain, and it is difficult to do things others can't when we roll back equipment rules. If we play with a golf ball that is 10 percent rolled back and we used to hit it 300 yards, now we're hitting it 270 yards. Well, fans that come to a tour event are not going to be impressed by that.

Fans are not impressed by a lot of things, like slow play, players who spit and the general drone-like personality of too many players. But feeling cheated because of the distance a ball doesn't fly? Hard to see that one when driving distance measurements aren't immediately available to a fan. A long drive is a long drive. It's all relative Phil.

It is detrimental to the PGA Tour that we will no longer be able to hit those shots around the green that we were able to in the past -- the shots people pay to see.

Yes, people do love a shot that spins and a miraculous recovery, but there is also the possibility that golf fans are savvy enough to have an even greater appreciation for recovery shots in the future knowing players are using equipment around the greens more consistent with what past generations used.

How much more can tour players gain through equipment?

You can gain with club fitting and optimization of set makeup, but the USGA over the last five or six years has capped much of the improvement. Basically the attitude of [USGA senior technical director] Dick Rugge, who is the omnipotent one in the game of golf, is that if something comes out that is beneficial to tour pros, then he's just going to change the rule [Ed. note: the USGA, citing that the configuration did not adhere to the intent of the rule, disallowed a groove design Callaway submitted although it met the technical parameters]. So there's no opportunity for real advancement when we have that type of governing body.

Callaway and Phil need to lay out how technical advances grow the game. Unfortunately, the only folks who benefit from constant product obsolescence are manufacturers and their shareholders.

What would you do if you were in charge of equipment regulation?

I would definitely rescind the right for one man to approve or disapprove a club regardless of whether it conforms to the rules that were set forth. Dick Rugge has that power. I think it is wrong to have that much power in one person's hands.

Anything else?

As far as other areas, I won't go into specifics, but technological improvements are not as evil or bad as the USGA is making them out to be. Historically, they have been beneficial for golf.

Yes, tell that to all of the people with 7,300 yard courses they can't afford to keep open for business.

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i hate to be the one making this point, but when phil gives us his take on the historic significance of technology in golf, i swear you can see callaway's hand up his shirt.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered Commenterthusgone
Geoff,

Don't be too disappointed. Phil is just shooting from the wallet again.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterFusilli Jerry
Well, his thinking is kind of wonky, but his math is impeccable.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered Commenterdbh
Considering most fans can barely hit a 210 yard drive and have a 20 handicap, the disappointment of 30 yards less from the likes of Phil will be only be about 10% of the spectators. So even Steven.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterVwgolfer
Gotta think his answers were all vetted, and edited, if not composed, by his equipment sponsors.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered Commenterpasaplayer
Sorry Phil, but dialing it back 10% will be taking a lot of 330 yard drives back to 300. And as you mention Geoff, if everybody else is hitting it 250, then a 275 yard drive will seem long. And also, fans can hardly tell exactly how far a drive goes when they are standing on the tee box. They just hear the sound, see it explode off the clubface and marvel as it sails far, high and (usually) straight. All that would not change. Fans primarily want to see shotmaking, and long driving does not necessarily fall under that category. Long drives make no impact on TV either.

Not a good start for Phil's first step into the spotlight formerly held by Tiger.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterRM
@VWgolfer, and those 10% of us who can hit it that far would probalby have tried a rolled-back ball and know the difficulty.

Of course, this whole thing skipped over the part where they had already approved a reduced carry ball.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterThe O
WooHoo! Back to golf!

Having said that, and as more of a Phil partisan than the rank and file here, Phil comes across as the compleat idiot. Ely "ERC-II" Callaway couldn't have said it all better himself.
Phil didn't take long to disenfranchise those who were hoping he would fill in the messiah's shoes. I swear, most of these guys are just not very smart people.....
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterMinefats
Phil is wrong about the effect of an equipment rollback on the entertainment value of golf.

Not sure about his comment on one man having too much power...I'm confused. One person certainly can be in charge of enforcing existing rules, but obviously one person should not be entrusted to write all subsequent rules on the issue.

I agree with Phil that people who oppose further technological advances are probably worried about nothing.

I think we need to hold the line on technology for professionals. I'm not 100% against rolling back the golf ball a little for pros, although I don't think it's necessary. I think the groove rule is a good idea.

However, I think rules should be "bifurcated" as they say, and standards should - while still controlled and regulated by the USGA - be markedly relaxed for recreational players. The "one set of rules" is outdated, and needs to go. It's that little philosophical quibble that is causing any "ruin" in the game on this issue, and it's so simple to fix.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterE.P. Richardson
I'm looking at Peskin's photo of Hogan at Merion. The spectators ten-deep around the green don't seem disappointed that Hogan needed driver-1-iron into the 429-yard 18th.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterChema
When I watch a Tour Pro play, I want to see if he can control the trajectory of the ball to suit the shot he has to play, can he hold the ball up against a right to left wind or vice versa? Can he draw the ball into a left side hole location or fade it into a right hole location? Can he hit a low shot into the wind? A high shot into a firm green? (I'm thinking Augusta). In other words, I want to see SHOTMAKING, but sadly very few can deliver it consistently, some not at all.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered Commentertitleist38
I think Phil and Geoff are wrong. Phil, people will be impressed with relatively long drives -- meaning guys hitting it 25-50 yards past other guys, it doesn't matter what the number is. Geoff -- you want to grow the game (assuming bringing more NON-golfers into the sport), but you cite "saavy fans" comparing recovery shots with the new grooves to recovery shots pros played 20+ years ago? I can't even describe that inconsistency.

My hunch is that fans are more impressed with pros making shots they can't really hit: REALTIVELY long drives in the fairway, approaches very close to the hole, approaches with ANY spin, crazy hooks and cuts out of trouble, sand shots close to the pin, and long putts. It's not about the numbers of 330 vs. 275.

If distance is SUCH a big deal (i'm still not convinced) go ahead, roll back the ball for 110+ MPH swing speeds, leave it for the rest of us. Ball makers can do it. The bifurcated groove rule is stupid.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered Commenterbsoudi
If people stopped watching golf because it was too boring (i.e. bombs and birdies, 24 under), then maybe Finchem would wake up and do something. We've had the athelete of the decade leading our sport and there's been a decline in participation. What's wrong with this picture.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterPapa Bing
Titleist38 has it about right -- but I argue that while you can appreciate those things AT the tournament venue, they are impossible to see when watching on TV (except with the golf channel ball flight thing-y). That's why people aren't as impressed with shotmaking today -- TV flattens everything out.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered Commenterbsoudi
Jeeeeez - Here's the big chance to fill the void and be the main man in golf and this is what he leads with?

Steinberg has his hands full, who is giving Phil advice??!!!!
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterBill C
Shotmaking is overrated.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Redcorn
Um... what does omnipotent mean and why was it used in relation to a Dick?
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterAA
I'm in favor of bifurcation. These guys play a different game than 99% of golfers. My golf isn't played on 7300y courses. I play some courses where the back tees are 6300y. That's just fine with me and most recreational golfers.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterSteven T.
I think the effect that equipment technology has on participation is minimal. I don't think rolling back the equipment will have any measurable effect on participation, either. I don't think architecture, or other aspects of the current golf business have much real effect on the level of participation.

I think it is huge micro/macroeconomic factors which drive participation. Population demographics, money, changes in culture and child-rearing norms, etc., are what are driving people away from golf.

If there is any way you could change golf to get a big rise in interest, I think you'd have to radically change the game. Create a form of competition that is a 6-hole affair that can play out on TV in an hour or two, and which a guy can play in an hour on a weekend morning. Radically change what's legal for average golfers, so they can actually advance the ball decently and get it in the hole without spending their first 6 months in the game learning to get it airborne.

As it is now, golf - which I love, just as it is, mind you - will always be a niche pastime, and it's going to shrink, IMO.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterE.P. Richardson
I won't be satisfied until the pros are hitting featheries with longnoses, spoons, niblicks, and putting cleeks.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterRandom Variables
@Chema.....

Well Hogan did hit driver, 6 iron into 18 @ Merion the first time he played it that day.... ;)
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterOWGR Fan
Phil didn't have to say, that if equipment is rolled back, the tour will realize a bigger drug problem.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterFrank
The ball goes too far. As I improve and learn to swing better I'm starting to get a glimpse of why my home courses are sometimes criticized by long hitters. They were designed when 260 off the tee was long. It's creepy playing with 14 year olds who are blasting past the tough-to-get-to reward positions and then throwing a wedge at the green. The ball needs to be rolled back for everyone.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterF. X. Flinn
What is the difference in operational costs for a 6300 v. a 7300 yard golf course, all other things being equal? Percentage-wise? It would seem that the vast majority of fixed costs of a golf course depend very little on the length of the course.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterE.P. Richardson
Just think Phil's ball will only go 90% of the way into the cabbage patch when he misses yet another fairway.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered Commentergreenfee
Yes finally someone mentioned Merion!!
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterVwgolfer
If I Place a 325 yard drive dead center of a 19 yard wide fairway that shotmaking beats the crap out of your pathetic little fade of your 135 yrd. 8 iron.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterVwgolfer
Yeah, people don't want to see pros play a course where the hazards are actually in play - that would be really weird - they only like playing that way themselves, from the white tees.
Back-of-the-envelope calculation, 7300 vs. 6300 yards, only considering the turf covered by 14 par-4 holes with an average width of 35 yards, less the length represented by greens from front to back: 217,000 sq. yds vs. 196,000 sq. yds. Or about 11% more turf on the longer course to maintain, mow, irrigate, treat with fertilizer, vermicides, pesticides. Taking into account wear and tear on the equipment and increased labor costs, seems to me that an extra 11%, more or less, in the maintenance budget could make or break a typical course. The other fixed costs are probably not too different, but others will have to chime in. Besides, most of us would have a lot more fun playing the shorter course. Those 225-yard approach shots on par-4s get old in a hurry.
Phil, buddy, I'm going to have to call you out on this one. Ok. I've taken a que-tip and cleaned out both of my ears, suggest you do the same. Wasn't it you Phil that called for Commissioner Finchem to act as a czar over the PGA Tour? In other words you don't like the idea of Dick Rugge making a scientific judgement but would instead like Finchem to shorten the season for you specifically so you can go trick er treating, hahahahaaa Phil tell us another funny tale, please, your on a roll.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterWU
Everyone still seems to concentrate on the wrong thing!

The problen ISN'T how far the ball carries or even how straight it flies due to technological changes, but rather, how it has effected golf clubs and the courses where the pro's play. How it has forced many to take their course designed by Da Vinci & have it redesigned by Picasso.

Great holes are NOT defined by length, but instead by how the hole plays upon the ground on which it is built. That is why the "Postage Stamp" is every bit as great as the 16th at Cypress Point...
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterPhil the Author
OMG . . . Someone other than Tiger is getting criticized. . . At least Tiger is a relative purist when it comes to equipment - they had to force him to use the big headed graphite shafted driver and he still avoids hybrids. . . Bottom line is that the golf ball does go too far. . . It should be rolled back - for everyone . . . If we don't like it, we can move up a set of tee markers . . . It is really boring to see almost every PGA Tour hole played driver and one of their 3 or 4 wedges. . . And, most of the courses they play should have only 2 par 5's (turn one on each nine into 500 yard par 4's - they would still hit a driver and 5 or 6 iron to them.)
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterWisconsin Reader
Come on Phil, tell us its all a joke and that its your he-muscles that propels the 300+ yards. And while you're at it, tell us all that you're really not a phony.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterMichael Ch.
OMG, rolling out the corporate drone, this dude has the personality of a Flying Lady, please, please, please give us Tiger back already, I'm not going to be able to take this for an entire year!
Well, at least we know one thing Steve Williams was almost certainly truthful about.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered Commenterjjshaka
So Phil favors a coup against the power delegated to Dick Rugge, eh? Would Phil like to have a blue-ribbon panel of experts decide equipment rules instead?

Fine! I nominate Ben Crenshaw, Jack Nicklaus, Tom Watson, Sandy Tatum and Frank Hannigan as the USGA's inaugural five-man panel on Implements and Balls. They'll get it all straightened out for you, Phil.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterChuck
John Redcorn, Long High shots are so exciting to see shot after shot after shot, shot after shot, shot after shot, shot after shot blah blah blah.

Those who hit it 360 would have to settle for 324. Poor babies.
12.17.2009 | Unregistered CommenterAdam Clayman
Phil the Author writes: "Everyone still seems to concentrate on the wrong thing!

The problen ISN'T how far the ball carries or even how straight it flies due to technological changes, but rather, how it has effected golf clubs and the courses where the pro's play. How it has forced many to take their course designed by Da Vinci & have it redesigned by Picasso."

I think what's wrong is concentrating on those few clubs who feel the need to hire Picasso. We're talking about, what, maybe 1-2% of golf courses in the world? I guess they are pretty high profile courses, because they are where the big championships are played. But is equipment technology causing an apocalypse of golf course renovations the world over? No.

The style of play in any sport is a function of the fields of play and the equipment. As the two change, the styles follow. The triple is almost extinct in baseball...I have fun trying to "make shots," John Redcorn, but I think it's an open question whether it is really something important for golf that we have a dominant style of play that resembles what professionals did between the 1930s and 1980s. The last few years have been pretty exciting for golf, and I haven't heard too many people lamenting that the big tournaments are being won with a series of long, high, straight shots. (And that is what they do, even Tiger, although he may work the ball more than others, it's basically a high/straight game now).
12.18.2009 | Unregistered CommenterE.P. Richardson
God I love Phil, he's so transparent.
After all, he is the one that said "I am such an idoit".
That's why we love him.
12.18.2009 | Unregistered CommenterGolfFan

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