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Tuesday
Aug172010

Bunkers In The Whistling Straits Yardage Book

Reader Mark noted that if Dustin Johnson looked at his yardage book he would have seen yardages. He asked if I could procure a copy of the 18th diagram. After a search, Mark himself came up with it and shares the work of  Stracka Line. Not much grey area here. Though in Johnson's defense, I never saw him look at the book. But there is also a missing gap in the CBS coverage where he purportedly was approached by the PGA's walking official, David Price.

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Terrific - thanks Mark (and Geoff).
08.17.2010 | Unregistered Commentermel
I was as stunned by what happened as anyone else. But in the Telecast here in Sweden which I would assume is the same as came out on CBS in the US, the graphics showing the first shot, clearly showed the ball to be in the bunker. But of course it is down to Dustin at the end of the day. And personally I'm as worried at grounding the club in a waste area as I am in a bunker. You can never be sure....
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterPetter
My objection to the whole thing is that they only found out because they saw 10 slow-mos from his swing, because he was leading coming down. If no one saw him do it on the spot, there should never be a penalty
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterBule
>>>Though in Johnson's defense, I never saw him look at the book.

How is that a defense?
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterDr. Fager
Great find. This site continues to be the leading edge in golf coverage.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterTed Cahill
The Johnson didn't know he was in a bunker defense, which Johnson himself is not claiming but some on here are, gets weaker and weaker by the minute.

Great find, Geoff and Mark.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterTaylor Anderson
FYI: This is NOT Straka Line. Mark Long did the PGA Championship yardage books and giving credit to Straka is a copyright infringement of TOUR Sherpa, Inc.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterJC
Taylor.

Why is that? What new evidence has been presented as to DJ's knowledge?

I'm not trying to debate, I just don't follow your logic.

thanks.

dig
08.17.2010 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
Dr. Fager - how is it a defense??? "Though in Johnson's defense, I never saw him look at the book." And in his defense he did not ask the rules official either. Teddy Roosevelt invaded Columbia to create Panama. In explaining his actions, his defense, to his cabinet he asked if he had made himself clear. Sec. of War Root said "Yes. You were accused of seduction and have proven yourself guilty of rape." Johnson, thankfully, has been quiet on this, and should remain so unless he is to say he was wrong.

jb
08.17.2010 | Unregistered Commenterjb
Correction, both Straka and Long did books for Whistling Straights, Dustin was using the "Seve" book, not Straka's. So if u want people to see wjat Dustin and Bobby were actually looking at, you should post a shot from Mark's book.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterJC
Being a little slow here (yeah, I know; keep it to yourself), but would someone circle the bunker he was in and outline the actual boundaries that Pete Dye originally intended for same in relation to where the ball came to rest? Please pay careful attention to any sand spillage that may have occurred during the intervening years on the downhill edge of the bunker. It is also important to note where the turf begins now, and when the architect supervised construction of this particular buffer. You can leave out the people who were there on Sunday afternoon, including the suicidal lady sitting in prime thinned/shank danger of death in the bunker. Thank you.
So this company knows exactly how many bunkers there are, but Pete Dye doesn't?
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterScott
Scott:


Did you see Dye being interviews after the Sunday round?

Knowing how many bunkers is the least of Pete's problems. Bless Pete, I love Sawgrass and I think WS is visually stunning, but that given....

Beautiful course, 17 and 18 are a joke at the current yardage, and again, I don't really think the number of bunkes knowledge is that big a deal, since they only have one rake...lol


Play well.

digsouth
08.17.2010 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
How in the hell did his caddie get the yardage for that shot without looking at the yardage book, which clearly shows the bunkers.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterJeremy
Jeremy....

Agreed,further proof that they did not think they were IN the bunker they were NEXT TOO caps subbig for italics)

Play Well,

digsouth
08.17.2010 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
sorry for typos no reading glasses do that....:)

ds
08.17.2010 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
I agree with people asking what's the big deal about this find? What "bunker" was he in? Was he in the "as constructed" part of the bunker or spill?

The article above this discussing eliminating the bunker designation all together is right on. That said, speaking to a tour buddy of mine who played in the event, he stated: "there is no chance my club ever would have touched a piece of sand unless I knew exactly what it was." I think that best sums up what we should expect out of our professionals.

The whole thing was/is a mess though. I feel bad for DJ and think the PGA really botched this on. Either way though, it is over and makes for great country club debate.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterRyan Potts
JC,
I added the missing page to give Stracka some credit.

Will try to the Long book, but I suspect it'll show the same thing.

Ryan,
It may not be a significant addition to the discussion, but I think it's good to put all of this out there.
08.17.2010 | Registered CommenterGeoff
Thanks Geoff - but do we know which "bunker" he was in?
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterRyan Potts
If nothing else, this proves the 18th hole looks just as ugly on paper as it does in real life.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered Commenterjjshaka
digsouth:

I agree that the number isn't important, but several times during the telecast I heard the announcers "No one knows how many bunkers there are! Not even Pete Dye!"
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterScott
Here's the bunker he was in, circled:

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/3261/image1pn.jpg

If you use the position relative to other bunkers, the aerial shot from the blimp, the CBS graphics and that his drive was 291 yards off the tee, they all confirm that this is the bunker.

But here's why this is important - it shows a large string of bunkers exactly where Johnson's ball was located. So, if you're in sand, you best assume you're in a bunker unless you get clarification that you're not.

Ky, whatever Dye's original intent was is irrelevant - bunkers change over time. I remember a couple years back when a bunker blew out at Oakland Hills during the PGA because of a storm. The grounds crew spent the entire night rebuilding the bunker - meaning that the bunker that players had seen just the day prior was now quite different. Bunkers change their shape over time naturally - particularly bunkers like those at WS. Bunkers are not a static design element.

Now, that all said, bunkers should absolutely be played "through the green".
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterTaylor Anderson
Ackk... It wasn't a few years ago - it was the 1996 US Open. Time flies when you're having fun.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterTaylor Anderson
On the top page of the yardage book, the "Johnson Bunker" is the one closest to the "4" in "284" (yardage from the back tee) - it is to the right and slightly above this yardage number. On the 2nd page of the yardage book, it is the one that is cut off by the right side of the page.

Gary Van Sickle of SI had a post round video where there are muliple shots of the "Johnson Bunker" showing the bunkers in front as well as the larger one that lies just to the right. Using three angles from three shots was enough triangulation to pin it down.

So, Johnson's closest reference point (if his caddie did not add any prior scouting notes or yardages before the tournament) is a sprinkler head three or four years to the left of the bunker.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterMarky Mark
Did anyone else notice that the sprinkler distance tags appear messed up? ie head 239 is 233R and 240L. If green depth is 45 I would think the tag should be around 262. What am I missing here?
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterBookman
I haven't seen much said about the "marshals" role in all this. The most commonly used photo shows several "marshals" with their arms raised while DJ is hitting the shot. Usually, marshals man the same spot all day. Did they know it was a bunker? Why did they let people stand in the bunker?
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterJS
FYI: This is NOT Straka Line. Mark Long did the PGA Championship yardage books and giving credit to Straka is a copyright infringement of TOUR Sherpa, Inc.
08.17.2010 | JC


Strackaline did also do a book for the PGA Championship at Whisling Straits. The players were given the option of which book they wanted, and a lot of players and caddies carried both. I collected the information for the book for stracka and helped put the book toghether. Therefore, it was not copyright infringement, and those pages are from the book we created this year.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterBrian McElveen
Sorry,
After reading rest of the comments, I see lots of posts, and JC corrected himself about the Long and Stracka books being at the event. In regards to Bookman's comment on the tags, thats a big reason we are out there, tags can often be incorrect. We grab the tags specifically to use as a way to ID the head. Our numbers are captured using a gps device that is accurate to 11 inches.

There are a ton of bunkers out there, the hard part is that there are several large bunkers that have 2 or 3 little wastebasket size bunkers that appear to be a part of the main bunker, just seperated by a small patch of fescue. Ultimately, the signs were well posted all over, and it is the players responsibility to ask, if they have a question. DJ didn't have a question as to whether or not it was a bunker and it was an unfortunate mistake. We are all human and we all make them. He will grow from it, and learn from this.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterBrian McElveen
Taylor, 1996 was last week. 1976, last month. Tempus fugit indeed.
That hole looks ridiculous with that line of bunkers so far removed from the fairway. Maybe if the PGA hadn't narrowed the fairway so much, those bunkers would have been inside the ropes and fans wouldn't have been masking it!
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterDan G.
Taylor, what Ky said.


Time waits for no one, sadly.


ds
08.17.2010 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
Dan,

That line of bunkers was easily 30 yards right of the bunkers, with a line of fescue 5 to 10 yards before you get to the bunkers. I dont think anyone intended for them to be in play, it had more to do with the daunting group of bunkers on the left side of the hole that directed DJ to hit it much further right than intended.
08.17.2010 | Unregistered CommenterBrian McElveen

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