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Jul312013

Price Tried To Get Presidents Cup Format Changed; Tim Said No!

Nick Price was probably a little more blunt about his attempts get the Presidents Cup format changed, all but saying the event will struggle if something isn't done.

An unbylined SkySports report was one of the few to report Price's comments that might have had Commissioner Finchem longing for a Greg Norman captaincy.

"When you've only got four pairings and you've got 12 guys to choose from, that's a lot easier because you take your best players.

"The Europeans put out the eight best players they can. It would be really interesting to see if the Ryder Cup was played under the Presidents Cup points system what the outcome would be."

Price and Ernie Els put the idea of a change of format to PGA Tour commissioner Tim Finchem, who has opted to retain the 34-match schedule for this year's contest.

"Initially Tim was receptive and then he phoned me back three weeks later and said he wasn't prepared to change," added Price. "He didn't think it needed a change. Ernie and I were really disappointed with the outcome.

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I get it why they would want that since their teams are typically weaker. To me though, I would change the Ryder Cup format to match the Presidents Cup if anything were to change. You have 12 guys, why sit 1/3 of the team each session ?
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
I agree with BrianS, not to ever agree with Finchem, but I like the fact that Pres Cup forces everyone to play.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterelf
The "rest of the world" has billions of people and numerous golf orgs to get 12 players. The US is one country with 350 million people to get the 12 players. Get better. The US doesn't complain when losing the Ryder cup or ask for any format changes. Play better or quit whining.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDarryl h
Agreed BrianS. I guess the reasoning is that it reduces strategic opportunities. You'd also have to make sure Chris Riley isn't on your team.

Then again, Finchem isn't going "reduce his brand" by capitulating to these foreigners who want to make his beloved team tourney more like the more popular Ryder Cup. It's all about the brand. McDonald's has the Big Mac. McDowell's has the Big Mic. Get it?
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterChris from DE
Personally, I like the idea that the Captain has to use "strategery". I think that having 12 team members and requiring that each play at least 3 matches would be fun. The Captain should be more than an aesthetics coordinator.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterHBL
Coming to America
Got it
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterDarryl h
Its not a brand issue, its an entertainment issue. 40,000 people on a golf course---four matches at a time simply isn't enough golf.

last day is the best day. Always true in sports, but in this case partly because there are 12 story lines going at once.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered Commentersmails
Upon reading this, it just occurred to me how little attention I pay to the President's Cup. If I'm honest, I couldn't tell you which side won in any of the last couple editions. Or where they were played, for that matter (oh wait, there was one at Harding Park I believe).

Maybe it's because I'm European...
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterAlex H
Team golf is a silly, nationalistic, ra ra moneymaker.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterpanco
Alex--doesn't Pres Cup coverage conflict with Darts where you are?
07.31.2013 | Unregistered Commentersmails
Given how close the Ryder Cup typically is, and how exciting th elast day is, it doesn't make much sense to change it at all.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterStiggy
The Prez Cup jumped the shark 10 year ago with that stupid tie in South Africa.

Kill this event, please.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterAbu Dhabi Golfer
I do find this kind of ironic: there are 2 years for earning spots on the Ryder Cup team; then when we supposedly have the 12 best players on each team we allow the captains the opportunity to "hide" their "weak" players. And now Price and Els want that option also for the President's Cup? Come on guys, win as a team or lose as a team....not 8 out of 12!
Larry, part of the Ryder Cup is the strategy of who to sit etc.

The Ryder Cup works the way it is.

It is almost always close.

It does not need to be changed at all.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterStiggy
Stiggy - I understand that is part of the strategy now. However I think that it could be improved by playing more guys. Why pick 12 and then use 8? I can see having 2 guys sitting due to fatigue, etc, but to say it is great strategy to figure out who your weakest players are and not let them play, I don't see it. The fans get a benefit of more guys playing. At the President's Cup, they add an extra day to the event to accommodate this, so there is only 1 day (Sat) where guys play 36 holes. I just think that is a better arrangement.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
Ryder Cup works because 43% of the points are up for grabs on the last day--has nothing to do with who plays when.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered Commentersmails
The Ryder Cup is pretty hard to beat (unless you're an American who has trouble with defeat). Hopefully they have the good sense never to tinker with it. That said, the importance of the cup to a player's career is grossly exaggerated by the Europeans. Nobody will be taking about Monty in 50 years. Or Sergio. Or Ian Poulter.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterhighside
ADG, you mean you didn't like the make up the rules as you go meeting on the playoff green in the dark? Classic TV drama.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterol Harv
This thread is dying a slow death.

Just in at 4:32 EST......Tiger hates the greens at Oak Hill.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterD. maculata
The sad part is the Presidents' Cup is little more than an exhibition.

At the last PC, several of the Koreans had never played foursomes and had very limited match play experience.

For the PC to become anything of substance, the International team must become a worthy opponent by preparing properly. The Americans embrace the competition by representing their country with pride, determination and respect. Inhibiting the Interrnational team is a lack of patriotic fervour.

Perhaps the PC's day will come with the next generation when the Asian tiger countries have developed a competitive golfing culture. For the moment, the Internationals are where Europe was with the Ryder Cup in the 1950s.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterthe baron
Sorry, but the last thing the world needs anywhere is more patriotic fervour. Still, when that young Chinese boy from Mission Hills we read about a few weeks ago is leading his team against the (former) Imperialist Running Dogs (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/running_dog) the other side might have some coherence.

As for the PC, it might one day be a good exhibition. Returning to someplace like RMGC would be a step in the right direction. In the meantime, we have this:
http://www.presidentscup.com/news/2013/07/24/opening-ceremony-rascal-flatts.html
Can't wait.

Apologies for the linkarrhea.
07.31.2013 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
KLG

Agree 'patriotic fervour' is too strong a term. And the world certainly needs much less of it.

My point is the US team bonds under a flag and prepares as a team, where as the Internationals are a bit of a mis-match.

I was lucky enough to see a PC and there was a marked difference in camraderie between the teams.

As for the kid from Mission Hills, I foresee the end of professional sports and society re-embracing family values (well I hope so!!!).
07.31.2013 | Unregistered Commenterthe baron

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