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Saturday
Jun172017

2017 U.S. Open Round Three This And That

The third round is underway after .91 inches of overnight rain and while a softer course should be vulnerable, I argued at Golfweek.com that the USGA did the right thing in getting the field around for two rounds. The forecast suggests Sunday could still bring some U.S. Open carnage.

Steve DiMeglio's USA Today game story notes that Erin Hills took it on the chin, but it also delivered a few blows.

Kevin Casey with a roundup of the best quotes.

Paul Casey overcame a triple to take the co-lead, writes GolfChannel.com's Rex Hoggard.

Cameron Champ is leading the field in driving distance at 339.3 yards, and the Texas A&M star has a tremendous backstory, reports Beth Ann Nichols for Golfweek.

Martin Kaufmann with a midway point review of Fox's broadcast, with high praise for the many bells and whistles that have been tremendous. The announce team? Not so much.

A 94-year-old man died on site of natural causes, reports Bill Glauber of the Journal-Sentinel.

A Trump protest banner will be flying over Erin Hills later today.

Kevin Van Valkenburg at ESPN.com on the explosive temper of Jon Rahm over the last two days.

Today's hole locations, since many of you asked...

Day three links...

Your television full viewing guide is here.

USOpen.com has exclusive early coverage and live featured group coverage all day.

Tee times.

The leaderboard.

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Reader Comments (43)

I'm getting a headache from the plane noise. Please make it stop.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterPlay It Forward
I really like Jordan Spieth but I'm getting sick and tired of Fox' showing EVERY SHOT of his, as he sits at +1.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCroDad
The plane noise is quite annoying on the coverage
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterThe Rat
Have you guys heard of the mute button?
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterFatboy
I hate the plane noise too! Mute doesn't help because I do like hearing the announcers and natural ambient audio. It's like those damn vuvuzelas at soccer!
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterDavid
Is Justin Thomas the player who most closely resembles Seve Ballesteros that the problem game has right now? Drives part 4s, literally comes out of his shoes with his driver, great creativity and awesome recovery shots....he's without a a doubt the most exciting player on tour at the moment.

Make that eagle putt!!
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCroDad
Speaking of background noise, people contend that CBS pipes in bird sounds on their Masters telecasts, but some of the bird noises on this broadcat by Fox are much louder and more persistent. Maybe it is a function of how they have the course miked up. as player-caddy conversations are as good as I've ever heard on a telecast.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterGreg B.
I have been sitting here watching this, trying to figure out why I am not enjoying it more...great shots, lots of players in contention, etc...but now I realize, they all look the same. They play the same shots, the same way. The course is absolutely UN playable to 99.9% of the players on the planet. I am a low single digit handicap, and I seriously doubt I could break 100, because I can't carry the ball that far. That's ok, I doubt I would be much better at most Open venues (on both sides of the pond).

This is a complete generational shift in the US Open. This is the way the top level game is now played...wide open, 100% flat out swings, with no artistry whatsoever. Just brute force. I'm not sure I like it that much.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBDF
Second that, BDF. But this is what you get without trees and water and with reasonably wide fairways. They're just too good, you need ridiculous greens like Oakmont or Chambers Bay to keep the scores around par. Btw, since I'm watching with the sound off, how long was that 3-wood by Justin Thomas on 18? Incredible shot.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterHawkeye
@Hawkeye
Hole was 299. He hit a cut about 295, and the eagle putt was 8 feet.

Simply incredible.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCroDad
As a T.V. viewer II don't care for this course at all. Take away the monstrous length, and are there any memorable holes? The strenuous hyping of the course by Fox announcers show that they too are aware that this place is nothing special. I appreciate what the USGA is doing by trying to bring in some different courses from time to time, but this one should not be repeated.

Also, I hate to disagree with our host, Mr. Shackelford, but what exactly is wrong with the old philosophy that par is a good score in the U.S. Open? I enjoy watching these great players being challenged once or twice during the year by conditions that they feel are "unfair."
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJAC
Reasons why this is boring:
1) No Phil, Rory, Dustin, Jason.
2) No Spieth, Stenson, Kaymer, Adam Scott, Westwood -- guys a lot of us might want to root for -- near the top. Though some of us might be rooting for one or two of the leaders, Ricky is the only one who'll move the needle.
3) Without trees, there's no good visual framing of the holes.
4) Overcast skies mean no dramatic contours.
5) Spectators are not part of the "theater" of most holes.
6) Even if we were familiar with the course, there don't seem to be many features that make the holes distinctive. Perhaps in time, some might emerge... The natural-style bunkers look nice, but none of them has a personality to catch our attention or a history to hold it.

Right now, late on Saturday afternoon, it feels like I've turned on Golf Channel during a Euro tournament in Sweden, but there happen to be a lot of Americans on the leaderboard.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered Commenter3foot1
Thomas made that 3 on 18 without hitting driver.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCroDad
I've never felt more disconnected from the game I love than today. What they're playing out there is no longer golf. The damn has been bulging for a long time and cracks have appeared here and there but it the burst has finally come. The USGA and R&A have shown no interest in preserving the integrity of the game so I guess now we should expect players hitting it 350+ yards down mile-wide fairways chasing 62s in every major now and not just in every single regular tour event. This Wisconsin cow pasture actually has me longing for broccoli-green Chambers Bay. Disgusted, just disgusted
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterDrBunsenHoneydew
Not to interrupt the b@tch-fest, but I'm enjoying the tournament. It's about the competition to me, not trying to enforce a standard. If they're playing this way it's because they can. Soft greens. No wind. They'd take apart St. Andrews or Pebble Beach with the same conditions.

I don't think you can fairly judge this course on this. I'm hoping for some wind tomorrow and let the best man win.
What Patches said. And Go Dawgs!
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
Erin Hills is supposed to this amazing courses, a new one that will soon become a classic.

I really don't get it. It is very long but what's the "signature hole"? None of the holes stand out to me.

The leaderboard is pretty boring too. Go Rickie! Go Patrick!
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Matthew IV
Fox should be applauded by the lack of commercials. The other networks should pay attention, especially CBS. The USGA should have never cut the fescue the other day as it was a bad omen for a course these players are taking advantage of. So many players going low that it seems no different from most weekly tour events. The U.S. Open used to be a special week that provided drama most events are not able to provide with narrow fairways, tough greens and par was a good score. I love watching golf and will always watch, but this year's event likely won't leave a lasting memory. Justin had a great, great round, but Miller's 63 was still better.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJoel
Er, that's DEMOCRAT Women's Advocacy.

Millions of women voted for Trump and would do so again tomorrow.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterPatchy
I love that a 288 yard par 4 is "fun" but a 288 yard par three is "over the top".
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterTremendous Slouch
Go play the course at a length that accords to your handicap and I'm pretty sure you will have fun. Played it twice 4 years apart once with a pencil and scorecard, and once at match play. Had a ball both times. The guys today looked like they were having some of the same fun I had. There are several memorable holes and more that I simply liked. The 3 hole finish offers a great variety not only via par, but the types and kinds of shots you are required to play. My only criticism is the same for every other course that tries to,pass themselves of as links style. It is nothing of the sort. It is an aerial course proven by so many of the holes / shots, specifically 15 and 18. The equipment discussion is for another post and I agree with others here, who, like this near 60 year old mid single hdcp, cannot comprehend the game that was on display today. I'm OK with that. Hope the kids have some more fun tomorrow. Go Ricky.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered Commenterjimbo
The USGA has just ruined the last great tournament in America.

RIP.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterRgw
The event would be much different if the course was running hard. Even faux links should be built on sand.

I find this just lacks the underlying constant tension that is part of the normal Open, the players are under pressure to shoot a low score more than they are grinding to survive.

Tomorrow should provide more of the traditional pucker factor.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterTighthead
JAC,
I believe 6 tournaments this year have had a winning score of -10 or worse. That means at least half of the field could not shot par over 2 days. Many who survived the cut did not get under par for 4 days. The decade after Tiger's arrival saw some real dismantling of golf courses but things have changed and their are some real tests on the Tour now.
I think if they had 20 MPH winds at Erin Hills, nobody would complaining it's too easy. The pros dismantle St. Andrews on calm days. Weather is almost always a factor, good or bad.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterKG
"literally comes out of his shoes with his driver,"

If he literally came out of his shoes then he would literally come out of his shoes. I think his feet literally come off the ground when he hits driver.
06.17.2017 | Unregistered CommenterLema's Ghost
@ Patches +1. @BDF-agree-thats my beef with modern golf, artistry,craft,guile have all but disappeared because its not required. Todays game is a power sport which I dont enjoy watching as much. But you have to admit they are VERY good at it. Those 2 shots Thomas hit at the last were incredible!
06.18.2017 | Unregistered Commenterchico
@chico, they are very talented.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBDF
Chico, the shots Thomas hit at 12 and 15 were not bad either. He's the most exciting American player out there, right now. However, am rooting for Brooks and Tommy very likeable about both those guys.

Compared to Merion and Chambers Bay, this tournament is leaps and bounds ahead.

Darren, please...Shut The Fox Up.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCenter Cut
Agree with Chico, but there is still some shotmaking left. How about that hard draw Rickie hit into 16? That was sweet.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterSari
It's the United States Open! Played by millionaire Evangelican$, in a Trump state, on Fox! What's not to love? (Less than) half the country must be loving this! Ratings must be yuge
06.18.2017 | Unregistered Commenterdsl
Agree with bdf and Chico. Thomas played two great shots to the last, awesome round. But technology is suffocating the imagination that some great golfers needed to compete, i.e. Seve. There is no doubt golfing is becoming more robotic and therefore becomes less exciting, almost predictable. It'll get worse before it gets better. Still love the game though, still a privilege to play it too.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterEasingwold
Don't feel too bad about being somewhat of an outlier, Chico. Whatever happened in the last 24 hours became irrelevant in the instant gratification world. They'll be a feeling of disappointment for them today if nobody fires a 62.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterD. maculata
D mac- I'll survive people thinking I'm a fossil. Everybody is entitled to their opinion!
06.18.2017 | Unregistered Commenterchico
@ Sari-I agree it was a cracking shot. Bubba can hit some astonishing shots. I enjoyed golf more when I saw more of that kind of thing! Dont think this has been a bad tournament but I'm not sure what length of course you would need to really test these guys! OK shorter with loads of rough works but watchig ball searches isnt the greatest fun on the planet.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered Commenterchico
Was I dreaming when folks were complaining about U.S. Open courses set up to defend par ? Several players double digits under par and , as someone noted , it's a batch fest. Great comments from Chico and some of the other more learned members about artistry , but I wish I had the "artistry" to hit a cut 3 wood 295 yards !

The wind is up gentlemen . I like Rickie , but would not mind seeing a guy like Brian Harman come through. Happy Father's Day to all and enjoy the show.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJJBeck
I also hate the plane noise it starts out at the beginning of the year in Hawaii especially the Sony Open and by the time they get to the US Open it sucks. Has anybody ever wondered why they don't use an airplane or a blimp at the Masters? My theory on that the surrounding area if you look at it on Google Earth looks like Compton California
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterTaxman 11
Like the course. Hate the plane noise. Needless to say FOX is crass for anything golf. When does their contract with the PGA end? Hopefully soon. Mute is on.
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterMerry S
How much time can that plane can keep flying before it needs refueling?
06.18.2017 | Unregistered Commenterstevejhn,
Why are they playing the Greater Milwaukee Open on Father's Day?
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBjbest
Networks input ' bird sweetner ' sounds for effect. Technology should enable Fox to wash the airplane droning sounds out.

I muted with CLOSED CAPTIONING ON. What's hilarious around 15:00 C.S.T. I read ( as idiot Joe Buck spoke ) " that the network is aware of this issue is bothersome to the viewing public but there isn't anything we can do ". REALLY JOE? By the way are you mispelling your last name ?

For the people who funded the airplane political banner you certainly have the right but your message and efforts most likely backfired due the poor presentation and commotion. ITS A QUIET RESPECTFUL GAME.

Now the ridiculous ROWDY Phoenix Open event I boycott each year your airplane would fit right in ...

Thank goodness the competition covers my favorite sport by and large.

I'm going back to my Arm is Palmer drink.

So it goes ... Leon
06.18.2017 | Unregistered CommenterLeon DFW

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